Comment 46 for bug 206018

On 一, 5月 05, 2008 at 09:46:04上午 -0000, Wenzhuo Zhang wrote:
> Arne Goetje 写道:
> > Wenzhuo Zhang wrote:
> >> Pan, Shi Zhu wrote:
> >>> Just be curious, what is the definition of "where the same style is
> >>> expected"?
> >> Common sense, or resemblance to what you see in Windows.
> >
> > Which version of Windows are you talking about?
>
> Any Simplified Chinese version.
>
> > And why is it common sense to enforce one font style only? At least here
> > in Taiwan most chinese newspapers use a Hei Ti font for the headings and
> > a Song/Ming Ti font for the rest of the article texts. Therefor I don't
> > see what's wrong with webpages which prefer different font styles for
> > different parts of the website... this is mostly done to have a visual
> > distinction between the different parts of the website and is fully
> > intended.
>
> It's my habbit as well. The problem here is that web pages belonging to
as you've said, its your owns habbit, bot not all other Chinese users.
> the same website section use different fonts for the same part of page
> bodies. It's indeed because website authors do not specify font families
> in some pages while specifying one for others.
>
> However, since you (CJK team) made UMing the preferred font for SimSun
> or "宋体", why cannot you make ZenHei the preferred font for these common
> Chinese font aliases after making the decision to include WQY ZenHei as
> the preferred font for sans-serif?
Because we have tested this type configure before release, we're
satisfy with the configure what is now.
>
> > If you don't like that, I suggest that you either ask the website author
> > why he has done so, or change the settings on your local computer. There
> > are a number of ways to prefer UMing as the default font for everything,
> > starting from editing the font preferences in your browser, to just
> > removing the package from your system.
>
> You don't really seem to understand the problem here. - I know how to
> change font settings and I've done so already. By opening a bug report
> here and discussing with you, I meant to see Ubuntu constantly improving
> as a product. Specifically, I hope Chinese users can comfortable use a
> default install of Ubuntu, without having to manually edit any
> configuration files.
>
> >> If you choose Zen Hei as the default font, make sure it is in the most
> >> preferred font for some common Chinese font aliases as well.
> >
> >> I have tried my best to get used to Zen Hei. I had to remove
> >> conf.d/63-wqy-zenhei.conf mainly because 1) 14px makes a big difference
> >> than 13px on a 12" XGA LCD; 2) the width of Latin character glyphs in
> >> Zen Hei doesn't seem to match that of CJK characters.
> >
> > Latin characters usually don't have the same width like CJK glyphs.
> > Either they are Monospaced and therefor half the width of a CJK glyph,
> > or they are proportional and don't fit at all to CJK glyph widths. Most
> > Western fonts are proportional and even on Windows, you will find that
> > the SimSun and MingLiU Chinese fonts come in two versions, one with
> > Monospaced Latin glyphs and the other with Proportional Latin glyphs.
> >
> > In short, if you don't like ZenHei, just remove it from your system.
> > It's as easy as that.
> >
> >
> > As a more general note:
> > It will be impossible to find a font setting that fits everyone! People
> > just have different preferences, regarding default font for the
> > languages they use in various locale environments, whether or not
> > bitmaps, anti-aliasing, hinting, etc. should be used or even which
> > hinting level for which font and which application is preferred. And of
> > course people have different screens (LCD or CRT) and different
> > screensizes and resolutions and therefor prefer different font settings.
> > So, for the distribution we try to give the users an acceptable default
> > setting. And as many users prefer a Hei Ti font for their desktop, we
> > chose to include WQY ZenHei and set it as preferred font for sans-serif.
> > And if any user, including you, does not like that, he is free to change
> > his local settings. But I and many others do not agree with the claim
> > that it should be expected to have only one Chinese font visible on the
> > system. Even Windows come with a multitude of Chinese fonts installed by
> > default. And if websites request the rendering to be done by serif,
> > sans-serif fonts or a mixture of them, it will surely be done so.
> >
> > Just my 2 NT$...
>
> Change font setting is the first thing I do after installing/upgrading
> Ubuntu. It's boring although not too difficult. As a Ubuntu user, I wish
> it could provide universally acceptable default settings so that typical
> users won't have to manually change anything before they start using
> Ubuntu comfortably.
>
> Deleting WQY ZenHei is not a good idea because it would break package
> dependancy, and also because it's good to have it in your system.
actually, you needn't uninstall the package, all you need to do is
disable the zenhei in fontconfig.
> Instead, I suggest prompting the users whether they'd like to install
> ZenHei as the default font post-install. A high priority question "dpkg-
> reconfigure -phigh ttf-wqy-zenhei" is suitable here. It's good to keep
> users choice in /etc/default/.
>
> Wenzhuo
>
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> ttf-wqy-zenhei and other Chinese fonts got mixed up where the same style is expected
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/206018
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