Doesn't allow entry of same-sex marriages

Bug #1354109 reported by Rory McCann on 2014-08-07
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This bug affects 2 people
Affects Status Importance Assigned to Milestone
Gramps
Incomplete
Unknown
gramps (Ubuntu)
Medium
Unassigned

Bug Description

Gramps only seems to allow mixed-sex relationships. I'm male and have a husband. All dialogs presume I have a wife (or am the father of a family which has a mother).

This does not reflect the reality of marriage today.

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 14.04
Package: gramps 4.0.3+dfsg-2ubuntu1
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.13.0-30.55-generic 3.13.11.2
Uname: Linux 3.13.0-30-generic x86_64
ApportVersion: 2.14.1-0ubuntu3.3
Architecture: amd64
CurrentDesktop: Unity
Date: Thu Aug 7 18:29:36 2014
EcryptfsInUse: Yes
InstallationDate: Installed on 2014-06-25 (43 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS "Trusty Tahr" - Release amd64 (20140417)
PackageArchitecture: all
SourcePackage: gramps
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

Rory McCann (rorymcc) wrote :
Ross Gammon (rosco2) wrote :

This has been reported before, and discussed by the Gramps developers. It requires a very large change to the Gramps code.

Changed in gramps (Ubuntu):
status: New → Confirmed
Dave Gilbert (ubuntu-treblig) wrote :

Importance->Medium 'A bug that has a moderate impact on a core application'
(It's part of edubuntu-desktop-gnome).

Changed in gramps (Ubuntu):
importance: Undecided → Medium
Ross Gammon (rosco2) wrote :

Hi Rory,

It looks like the Gramps developers agree that this should be changed, but it seems to have been forgotten.

Perhaps you should follow the link below to the Gramps Project Bug Tracker, create an account and make a comment on the bug. This may remind someone about it and if we are luck, to begin work on it.

https://gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=3346

Regards,

Ross

I just check and there's nothing to stop you creating a family in GRAMPS in
which both parts are of the same sex. The only part I can find which is a
problem is that one part is referred to as the mother and one as the father.

Duncan

2014-08-09 23:01 GMT+02:00 Ross Gammon <email address hidden>:

> Hi Rory,
>
> It looks like the Gramps developers agree that this should be changed,
> but it seems to have been forgotten.
>
> Perhaps you should follow the link below to the Gramps Project Bug
> Tracker, create an account and make a comment on the bug. This may
> remind someone about it and if we are luck, to begin work on it.
>
> https://gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=3346
>
> Regards,
>
> Ross
>
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Changed in gramps:
status: Unknown → New
Ross Gammon (rosco2) wrote :

On 08/10/2014 12:42 AM, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
> I just check and there's nothing to stop you creating a family in GRAMPS in
> which both parts are of the same sex. The only part I can find which is a
> problem is that one part is referred to as the mother and one as the father.
>
> Duncan

Yes - thanks Duncan for mentioning that workaround. For 4.0.4, I found
if I wanted to add an existing person to a family of the "wrong" gender,
they cannot be added (they do not appear in the list). First you have to
edit the person to be the "correct" gender for a traditional family to
force them to appear in the list. Then afterwards you can change the
gender back to the "real" gender.

If you are entering "new" people into a family, you can easily add the
new person as a "male" wife, or a "female" husband.

But then as you say, one of the males will be listed as wife (if it is
an all male couple), and this will be the case in all generated reports.

One of the suggestions in the linked Gramps feature request bug is to
refer to the person as a "spouse" rather than "wife" or "husband" if it
is a same-sex marriage.

Ross

Rory McCann (rorymcc) wrote :

> One of the suggestions in the linked Gramps feature request bug is to
> refer to the person as a "spouse" rather than "wife" or "husband" if it
> is a same-sex marriage.

That's not required. It's not *wrong* to refer to a man's husband has "his spouse", but you could just say "his husband". Unless the plan is to remove the words wife/husband from the software.

Rory McCann (rorymcc) wrote :

> I found
> if I wanted to add an existing person to a family of the "wrong" gender,
> they cannot be added (they do not appear in the list). First you have to
> edit the person to be the "correct" gender for a traditional family to
> force them to appear in the list. Then afterwards you can change the
> gender back to the "real" gender.

That is not a solution, and is absurd. I might as well use a spreadsheet for managing my family tree.

Scott Kitterman (kitterman) wrote :

Any solution to this will be done upstream first, so it would be better to
discuss it in the upstream bug, not in this bug.

Changed in gramps:
status: New → Incomplete
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