Rhythmbox tray behaviour doesn't make sense

[Dan Dart]

Binary package hint: rhythmbox

The new Lucid Rhythmbox behaviour doesn't make sense.
If I want to pause/etc, it worked well that it was in the right click menu and that left click once was to show and hide. That made sense.
Now, you have to use an extra click to show, and you can't hide from this menu, as when it's shown, the menu still says "Show Rhythmbox" - which is useless - to hide you have to click the X, which is not consistent.

[Sebastien Bacher (seb128)]

thank you for your bug report, having those icons behaving in a consistent way and not having each doing custom ricght or middle click
tasks does make sense and is by design, there are already other bugs about the show entry which should be a toggle one using a checkbox, closing this bug now since that's not a really one

[Adrian Roman (adyroman5)]

In version 0.12.5 which was shipped with Karmic, left clicking would show / hide the main window while right clicking would show a context menu. This is consistent with the rest of the tray icons in both Karmic and Lucid; all of them show the context menu on right click, and offer some quick actions on left click.

There's no point in moving the context menu on left click, all the while leaving right click unused. Right now, right click does nothing. It's really stupid if you think about it - why put all the actions under 1 button of the mouse, when there are 2 or more available on every PC? Or is this for Macs? And if so, why not every other tray icon?

Anyway - it wouldn't be the first stupid UI decision Ubuntu has taken with Lucid, but it's worth complaining about it - maybe one day...

[Sebastien Bacher (seb128)]

> This is consistent with the rest of the tray icons in both Karmic and Lucid

no it's not, try to left and right click on icons there, some open menus being the same or different ones, some toggle on left click, some run dialogs, etc

> why put all the actions under 1 button of the mouse, when there are 2 or more available on every PC

because user testing on non technical users show that right click is something lot of users don't use or think about and they will just not find the options there

the tone you are using there is also limit to be correct and the bug tracker is not the place to discuss design decisions

[Adrian Roman (adyroman5)]

Here are the icons I use:

- Date & time applet: right click shows help & about & preferences menu, left click shows / hides calendar and locations;
- NM applet: right click shows networking options (wired vs. wireless, edit connections, connection info, about); left click shows / hides connections list to choose from;
- volume control applet: right click shows mute & preferences; left click shows / hides volume control slider;
- Pidgin & Skype: both show / hide main window when left clicking, right click displays menu;
- Rhythmbox: left click menu, right click _nothing_.

How is this consistent?

[Sebastien Bacher (seb128)]

the world is not going to be ported in one cycle that was known from the start, if you read the indicator specification the remaining ones will be ported next cycle

[Adrian Roman (adyroman5)]

So for the next cycle, we can expect right click and middle click
functionality to be removed for all applets! Great! I can hardly wait. I
guess I'll be going back to Fedora, before Ubuntu becomes the next Apple.

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On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Sebastien Bacher <email address hidden> wrote:

> the world is not going to be ported in one cycle that was known from the
> start, if you read the indicator specification the remaining ones will
> be ported next cycle
>
> --
> Rhythmbox tray behaviour doesn't make sense
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549962
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>

[Sebastien Bacher (seb128)]

during the next cycle you will probably have GNOME and other distribution deprecating applets and moving to new systems too with GNOME3 so good luck with whatever distribution you will install

[Adrian Roman (adyroman5)]

Yeah, I forgot all about GNOME 3 - but that makes the changes in the current
(LTS) release even more pointless.
Anyway - thanks for the prompt replies. I seriously appreciate it.

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On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Sebastien Bacher <email address hidden> wrote:

> during the next cycle you will probably have GNOME and other
> distribution deprecating applets and moving to new systems too with
> GNOME3 so good luck with whatever distribution you will install
>
> --
> Rhythmbox tray behaviour doesn't make sense
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549962
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>

[Indrek Juhkam (innu)]

Could you then make right click to open the rhythmbox window? Or some kind of a shortcut. This `only left click` is really annoying.

[Adrian Roman (adyroman5)]

You can get the latest source of the original Rhythmbox here:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/rhythmbox/0.12/rhythmbox-0.12.8.tar.bz2
Unpack it somewhere, then:
sudo apt-get build-dep rhythmbox
and you will have all the libraries needed to build it.
Go to the directory where you unpacked the source archive, and:
./configure --enable-uninstalled-build && make
Afterwards you can run the original rhythmbox with:
shell/rhythmbox
Maybe somebody will take the time to create a package with the original
source. So far, this was the easiest solution for me and it works just
great.

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On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Indrek Juhkam <email address hidden> wrote:

> Could you then make right click to open the rhythmbox window? Or some
> kind of a shortcut. This `only left click` is really annoying.
>
> --
> Rhythmbox tray behaviour doesn't make sense
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549962
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>

[Dan Dart (dandart)]

Adrian's right - left click should show and hide, right click should show menu with additional options like other apps. Also, "Show Rhythmbox" still appears when it is shown, and should be hide - you have to click the X.

Additionally, this wrong behaviour also happens in Transmission when tray is enabled.

[IllegalCharacter (rob-s-brit)]

@Adrian: Thanks for the tip! I find the only-left-click thing extremely annoying and am happy to be reverting to the old way.

[IllegalCharacter (rob-s-brit)]

Actually never mind, that fix didn't stay working! After I closed RB and opened it again later it reverted to the newer behaviour.

Maybe this should be a setting in the preferences or in the GNOME configuration editor? A checkbox for "Keep old-style Rhythmbox tray icon behaviour" or something like that?

[bleh (bleh)]

If I was too stupid to use more than one mouse button I'd be using a Mac. Ubuntu impressed me to the point of completely switching over from Windows, but this last version is almost as bad as any Microsoft product. Can anyone recommend another Linux distro that is thought out for people who do not have learning disabilities (seriously, how is more than one mouse button ever a bad thing?), but may not feel like learning all the terminal commands in order to function efficiently on their PC?

[ffly (arc-mail)]

That was completely stupid design decision.
Wasn't it much better just to show "non technical users" that there is a second button on their mice and "Oh, wow, we have cool another button that shows context menu" instead making _that_annoying_ usability disimprovement?