Revival of language packs for Kurdish (Sorani)

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Language packs for Kurdish (Sorani) were present in Ubuntu 14.04 as a result of bug #1388808. They were dropped later due to the introduction of a threshold, i.e. language packs are normally created only for languages where >5% of the translatable strings are translated.

The Kurdish (Sorani) translators team are currently working actively with improving the translation coverage. At the moment it's approximately 3%.

Assuming that the team will soon reach 5% coverage, this is a request for an exception from applying the 5% threshold for Kurdish (Sorani) in Ubuntu 20.04.

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

Thank you dear gunnar and lukasz
We are updating the translation every day hope our language be available as soon as possible.

Best Regards

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

Hey
We can expect our language in 20.04 version? Any new progress?

Best Regards

[Łukasz Zemczak (sil2100)]

I'm working on building the first 20.04 base language packs right now - I will be including a small 'special case' handler to make sure the ckb langpack gets created as well. Should have a status update later today.

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

Thank you lukasz

[Łukasz Zemczak (sil2100)]

Ok, my special casing in l-o-m seems to have worked, but sadly I could not upload the new language packs just yet (we are having some GPG key signing problems). This is being actively worked on and affects all language-pack generation, sadly.

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

So we don't expect it in 20.04? Sorry didn't understand clearly. Or what we
have to do?

Best Regards

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:05 Łukasz Zemczak <email address hidden>
wrote:

> Ok, my special casing in l-o-m seems to have worked, but sadly I could
> not upload the new language packs just yet (we are having some GPG key
> signing problems). This is being actively worked on and affects all
> language-pack generation, sadly.
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1864680
>
> Title:
> Revival of language packs for Kurdish (Sorani)
>
> Status in langpack-o-matic:
> In Progress
> Status in localechooser package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
>
> Bug description:
> Language packs for Kurdish (Sorani) were present in Ubuntu 14.04 as a
> result of bug #1388808. They were dropped later due to the
> introduction of a threshold, i.e. language packs are normally created
> only for languages where >5% of the translatable strings are
> translated.
>
> The Kurdish (Sorani) translators team are currently working actively
> with improving the translation coverage. At the moment it's
> approximately 3%.
>
> Assuming that the team will soon reach 5% coverage, this is a request
> for an exception from applying the 5% threshold for Kurdish (Sorani)
> in Ubuntu 20.04.
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1864680/+subscriptions
>

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

@Jwtiyar: Yes, you can indeed expect it to be done before the release of 20.04. Stay tuned. :)

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

Thank you for the update :) .

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 14:06 Gunnar Hjalmarsson <email address hidden>
wrote:

> @Jwtiyar: Yes, you can indeed expect it to be done before the release of
> 20.04. Stay tuned. :)
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1864680
>
> Title:
> Revival of language packs for Kurdish (Sorani)
>
> Status in langpack-o-matic:
> In Progress
> Status in localechooser package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
>
> Bug description:
> Language packs for Kurdish (Sorani) were present in Ubuntu 14.04 as a
> result of bug #1388808. They were dropped later due to the
> introduction of a threshold, i.e. language packs are normally created
> only for languages where >5% of the translatable strings are
> translated.
>
> The Kurdish (Sorani) translators team are currently working actively
> with improving the translation coverage. At the moment it's
> approximately 3%.
>
> Assuming that the team will soon reach 5% coverage, this is a request
> for an exception from applying the 5% threshold for Kurdish (Sorani)
> in Ubuntu 20.04.
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1864680/+subscriptions
>

[Łukasz Zemczak (sil2100)]

Ok, the language-packs should now be in the Ubuntu archive. I still need to promote them from universe to main, but I guess we can consider the langpack-o-matic part done o/

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

Thanks, dear Lukasz
Does the language will be available in daily-live images if ubuntu 20.04?
here <http://www.cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/>
because I want to test the language before final release.

Best Regards.
Jwtiyar Nariman
Google Map Maker (RL)
*Physical Lab. / Internal Auditor (ISO 9001:2015)*

*Mass Iraq Co. for cement industry *
My Blog <http://jwtear.blogspot.com>
Why Linux Is Better <http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/index_ku.php?lang=ku>
Freedom For Abdullah Ocalan (APO) <http://www.freedom-for-ocalan.com/>

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 7:11 PM Łukasz Zemczak <email address hidden>
wrote:

> Ok, the language-packs should now be in the Ubuntu archive. I still need
> to promote them from universe to main, but I guess we can consider the
> langpack-o-matic part done o/
>
> ** Changed in: langpack-o-matic
> Status: In Progress => Fix Released
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1864680
>
> Title:
> Revival of language packs for Kurdish (Sorani)
>
> Status in langpack-o-matic:
> Fix Released
> Status in localechooser package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
>
> Bug description:
> Language packs for Kurdish (Sorani) were present in Ubuntu 14.04 as a
> result of bug #1388808. They were dropped later due to the
> introduction of a threshold, i.e. language packs are normally created
> only for languages where >5% of the translatable strings are
> translated.
>
> The Kurdish (Sorani) translators team are currently working actively
> with improving the translation coverage. At the moment it's
> approximately 3%.
>
> Assuming that the team will soon reach 5% coverage, this is a request
> for an exception from applying the 5% threshold for Kurdish (Sorani)
> in Ubuntu 20.04.
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1864680/+subscriptions
>

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

On 2020-03-25 18:58, Jwtiyar Nariman wrote:
> Does the language will be available in daily-live images if ubuntu 20.04?
> here <http://www.cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/>
> because I want to test the language before final release.

No, the ckb language packs won't be available on the ISOs. Only the language packs for the most widely spoken languages among Ubuntu users are.

To test the translations you should actually install Ubuntu from the latest daily build. When logged in, install the "Kurdish, Central" language from Language Support, select "Kurdish, Central" in Settings -> Region & Language -> Language, and relogin.

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

Thank you guunar.
Yes i was talking about daily builds not official builds.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 04:20 Gunnar Hjalmarsson <email address hidden>
wrote:

> On 2020-03-25 18:58, Jwtiyar Nariman wrote:
> > Does the language will be available in daily-live images if ubuntu 20.04?
> > here <http://www.cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/>
> > because I want to test the language before final release.
>
> No, the ckb language packs won't be available on the ISOs. Only the
> language packs for the most widely spoken languages among Ubuntu users
> are.
>
> To test the translations you should actually install Ubuntu from the
> latest daily build. When logged in, install the "Kurdish, Central"
> language from Language Support, select "Kurdish, Central" in Settings ->
> Region & Language -> Language, and relogin.
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1864680
>
> Title:
> Revival of language packs for Kurdish (Sorani)
>
> Status in langpack-o-matic:
> Fix Released
> Status in localechooser package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
>
> Bug description:
> Language packs for Kurdish (Sorani) were present in Ubuntu 14.04 as a
> result of bug #1388808. They were dropped later due to the
> introduction of a threshold, i.e. language packs are normally created
> only for languages where >5% of the translatable strings are
> translated.
>
> The Kurdish (Sorani) translators team are currently working actively
> with improving the translation coverage. At the moment it's
> approximately 3%.
>
> Assuming that the team will soon reach 5% coverage, this is a request
> for an exception from applying the 5% threshold for Kurdish (Sorani)
> in Ubuntu 20.04.
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1864680/+subscriptions
>

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

hello lukasz
How the localedata from glibc will be used to the language? because the one that used in daily builds for kurdish is old one,The newest one is here(master):
https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob_plain;f=localedata/locales/ckb_IQ;hb=refs/heads/master

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

@Jwtiyar: The new locale will come with glibc 2.32, which will probably make it to Ubuntu only in Ubuntu 20.10. In the meantime we need to settle for the old one (which is an Ubuntu specific patch).

Please don't use bug reports for various questions. The ubuntu-translators mailing list is a proper place for translation related questions.

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

Sorry i was thinking iam posting it in glibc bug not here.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 6:30 PM Gunnar Hjalmarsson <email address hidden>
wrote:

> @Jwtiyar: The new locale will come with glibc 2.32, which will probably
> make it to Ubuntu only in Ubuntu 20.10. In the meantime we need to
> settle for the old one (which is an Ubuntu specific patch).
>
> Please don't use bug reports for various questions. The ubuntu-
> translators mailing list is a proper place for translation related
> questions.
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1864680
>
> Title:
> Revival of language packs for Kurdish (Sorani)
>
> Status in langpack-o-matic:
> Fix Released
> Status in localechooser package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
>
> Bug description:
> Language packs for Kurdish (Sorani) were present in Ubuntu 14.04 as a
> result of bug #1388808. They were dropped later due to the
> introduction of a threshold, i.e. language packs are normally created
> only for languages where >5% of the translatable strings are
> translated.
>
> The Kurdish (Sorani) translators team are currently working actively
> with improving the translation coverage. At the moment it's
> approximately 3%.
>
> Assuming that the team will soon reach 5% coverage, this is a request
> for an exception from applying the 5% threshold for Kurdish (Sorani)
> in Ubuntu 20.04.
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1864680/+subscriptions
>

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

Made a debdiff which adds "Kurdish, Central" to Ubiquity's language list.

@Łukasz: Any chance you can sponsor?

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

Any Progress?

[Łukasz Zemczak (sil2100)]

Sponsored localechooser 2.71ubuntu5 for groovy.

[Launchpad Janitor (janitor)]

This bug was fixed in the package localechooser - 2.71ubuntu5

---------------
localechooser (2.71ubuntu5) groovy; urgency=medium

  * Add Kurdish, Central (ckb) to languagelist (LP: #1864680)

 -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson <email address hidden> Sat, 25 Apr 2020 22:13:00 +0200

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

Thank you guys.

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

Not yet working in today's daily build. While the new version of localechooser-data is there, ubiquity has own copies of the languagelist files from the last ubiquity build, and those seem to be the ones which are effective. So I suppose that a ubiquity build is needed too.

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

Now Tried daily build of 22 may, its not available yet.

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

Right, there has not been any ubiquity build in groovy yet. But that will happen. Please be patient.

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

No problem i just wanted to share it that not yet been added.

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

A new version of ubiquity was released the other day, and Central Kurdish is at last selectable in ubiquity's language list when using the latest daily build ISO.

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

I did try but couldn't find central kurdish in the list.
first boot that lets you choose the language before begining of the installation.

Best Regards.

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

Which list are you talking about? Can it possibly be the not-so-pretty isolinux menu? Focal or groovy?

I'm talking about groovy and the list of languages on Ubiquity's welcome window:

https://ubuntucommunity.s3.dualstack.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/optimized/2X/a/ad5e454a9fd45fd56d90da951702c2f2224cd32a_2_690x479.png

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

The one that you choose in first boot (gtk theme )ask you to choose language not the one you provided.

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

I mean This:

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

That's what I was afraid of. ;) And yes, Central Kurdish is not present there.

The code which needs to be changed to add a language there is ... not so easy to understand. One of Ubuntu's most experienced developers has struggled for a while with adding another language (Tajik - bug #1171844). I'm thinking that we'd better await the final resolution of that bug. Then they will have learned which steps are needed to add yet another language.

[Jwtiyar Nariman (jwtiyar)]

Ok it isn't a big problem, most important thing is the language available
to use.
your help is much appreciated dear gunnar, thank you again.

Best Regards

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 14:45 Gunnar Hjalmarsson <email address hidden>
wrote:

> That's what I was afraid of. ;) And yes, Central Kurdish is not present
> there.
>
> The code which needs to be changed to add a language there is ... not so
> easy to understand. One of Ubuntu's most experienced developers has
> struggled for a while with adding another language (Tajik - bug
> #1171844). I'm thinking that we'd better await the final resolution of
> that bug. Then they will have learned which steps are needed to add yet
> another language.
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1864680
>
> Title:
> Revival of language packs for Kurdish (Sorani)
>
> Status in langpack-o-matic:
> Fix Released
> Status in localechooser package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in ubiquity package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
>
> Bug description:
> Language packs for Kurdish (Sorani) were present in Ubuntu 14.04 as a
> result of bug #1388808. They were dropped later due to the
> introduction of a threshold, i.e. language packs are normally created
> only for languages where >5% of the translatable strings are
> translated.
>
> The Kurdish (Sorani) translators team are currently working actively
> with improving the translation coverage. At the moment it's
> approximately 3%.
>
> Assuming that the team will soon reach 5% coverage, this is a request
> for an exception from applying the 5% threshold for Kurdish (Sorani)
> in Ubuntu 20.04.
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1864680/+subscriptions
>

[Steve Langasek (vorlon)]

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 11:36:36AM -0000, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
> That's what I was afraid of. ;) And yes, Central Kurdish is not present
> there.

> The code which needs to be changed to add a language there is ... not so
> easy to understand. One of Ubuntu's most experienced developers has
> struggled for a while with adding another language (Tajik - bug
> #1171844). I'm thinking that we'd better await the final resolution of
> that bug. Then they will have learned which steps are needed to add yet
> another language.

That menu is isolinux-specific and therefore only shows up on systems
booting with legacy BIOS, not with UEFI. The plan is to remove isolinux
altogether this cycle in favor of using GRUB for both BIOS and UEFI, so
there will be no language menu in the bootloader and this will be a
non-issue.

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

That sounds as good news, Steve. Was about to ask you about it, but now I don't need to. :)