[Studio1747, IDT 92HD73C1X5,playback] volume slider problem - Slide to bottom and sound stays off even when slider moved up again

Bug #1357928 reported by B.J. Herbison
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Bug Description

The Audio Mixer panel widget slider (current version) has no "mute" checkbox. The 12.04 version had a mute checkbox in addition to the slider.

When the slider is moved to the bottom, everything is muted: Master, Headphone, Speaker, PCM. Move the slider up and only Master is unmuted.

My computer has three hardware buttons for audio. The mute/unmute mutes but never unmutes. Same issue.

Known problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/397819/ubuntu-13-10-and-xfce4-no-sound-at-all

With 2012.04 I could just uncheck the mute button and things were back to normal. Now I need to open Audio Mixer and unmute everything.

(It also appears I need to unmute the Headphones to hear sounds from the internal speakers.)

As someone who works in an environment where I regularly need to mute this behavior is very annoying.

1) The volume sliders should never mute.
2) There should be a mute checkbox.
3) The unmute options should unmute everything which was muted.

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 14.04
Package: alsa-base 1.0.25+dfsg-0ubuntu4
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.13.0-34.60-generic 3.13.11.4
Uname: Linux 3.13.0-34-generic x86_64
ApportVersion: 2.14.1-0ubuntu3.3
Architecture: amd64
CurrentDesktop: XFCE
Date: Sun Aug 17 06:53:47 2014
InstallationDate: Installed on 2010-06-11 (1528 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release amd64 (20100429)
PackageArchitecture: all
SourcePackage: alsa-driver
Symptom: audio
Symptom_Card: RV710/730 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 4000 series] - HDA ATI HDMI
Symptom_PulseAudioLog:

Symptom_Type: Volume slider, or mixer problems
Title: [HDA-Intel - HDA Intel MID, playback] volume slider problem
UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to trusty on 2014-08-13 (3 days ago)
dmi.bios.date: 03/31/2011
dmi.bios.vendor: Dell Inc.
dmi.bios.version: A14
dmi.board.asset.tag: 1234567890
dmi.board.name: 0J509P
dmi.board.vendor: Dell Inc.
dmi.chassis.asset.tag: 1234567890
dmi.chassis.type: 8
dmi.chassis.vendor: Dell Inc.
dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnDellInc.:bvrA14:bd03/31/2011:svnDellInc.:pnStudio1747:pvr:rvnDellInc.:rn0J509P:rvr:cvnDellInc.:ct8:cvr:
dmi.product.name: Studio 1747
dmi.sys.vendor: Dell Inc.
mtime.conffile..etc.modprobe.d.alsa.base.conf: 2012-09-22T06:43:48.837149

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B.J. Herbison (bj-herbison) wrote :
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Raymond (superquad-vortex2) wrote :

ode 0x0a [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400183: Stereo Amp-In
  Control: name="Headphone Jack", index=0, device=0
  Amp-In caps: N/A
  Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00]
  Pincap 0x0000173f: IN OUT HP Detect Trigger ImpSense
    Vref caps: HIZ 50 GRD 80
  Pin Default 0x0321101f: [Jack] HP Out at Ext Left
    Conn = 1/8, Color = Black
    DefAssociation = 0x1, Sequence = 0xf
  Pin-ctls: 0xc0: OUT HP VREF_HIZ
  Unsolicited: tag=01, enabled=1
  Connection: 4
     0x15 0x16* 0x17 0x1e

Node 0x0d [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400183: Stereo Amp-In
  Control: name="Speaker Phantom Jack", index=0, device=0
  Amp-In caps: N/A
  Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00]
  Pincap 0x0000003f: IN OUT HP Detect Trigger ImpSense
  Pin Default 0x90170110: [Fixed] Speaker at Int N/A
    Conn = Analog, Color = Unknown
    DefAssociation = 0x1, Sequence = 0x0
    Misc = NO_PRESENCE
  Pin-ctls: 0x40: OUT
  Unsolicited: tag=00, enabled=0
  Connection: 4
     0x15 0x16 0x17* 0x1e
Node 0x0e [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400183: Stereo Amp-In
  Control: name="Mic Boost Volume", index=0, device=0
    ControlAmp: chs=3, dir=In, idx=0, ofs=0
  Control: name="Mic Jack", index=0, device=0
  Amp-In caps: N/A
  Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00]
  Pincap 0x00001737: IN OUT Detect Trigger ImpSense
    Vref caps: HIZ 50 GRD 80
  Pin Default 0x03a11020: [Jack] Mic at Ext Left
    Conn = 1/8, Color = Black
    DefAssociation = 0x2, Sequence = 0x0
  Pin-ctls: 0x24: IN VREF_80
  Unsolicited: tag=03, enabled=1
  Connection: 4
     0x15* 0x16 0x17 0x1e
Node 0x0f [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400183: Stereo Amp-In
  Control: name="Line Out Jack", index=0, device=0
  Amp-In caps: N/A
  Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00]
  Pincap 0x00000037: IN OUT Detect Trigger ImpSense
  Pin Default 0x03011050: [Jack] Line Out at Ext Left
    Conn = 1/8, Color = Black
    DefAssociation = 0x5, Sequence = 0x0
  Pin-ctls: 0x40: OUT
  Unsolicited: tag=02, enabled=1
  Connection: 4
     0x15* 0x16 0x17 0x1e

does it support 5.1 since there are three jacks at same location (ext left) on your notebook ?

is it dual headphone jacks or headphone and line out ?

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Raymond (superquad-vortex2) wrote :

do you mean the name of volume control of line out Jack should not pcm ?

Node 0x15 [Audio Output] wcaps 0xd0c05: Stereo Amp-Out R/L
  Control: name="PCM Playback Volume", index=0, device=0
    ControlAmp: chs=3, dir=Out, idx=0, ofs=0
  Control: name="PCM Playback Switch", index=0, device=0
    ControlAmp: chs=3, dir=Out, idx=0, ofs=0
  Device: name="92HD73C1X5 Analog", type="Audio", device=0
  Amp-Out caps: N/A
  Amp-Out vals: [0x80 0x80]
  Converter: stream=8, channel=0
  Power states:
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 13 samples
Node 0x16 [Audio Output] wcaps 0xd0c05: Stereo Amp-Out R/L
  Control: name="Headphone Playback Volume", index=0, device=0
    ControlAmp: chs=3, dir=Out, idx=0, ofs=0
  Control: name="Headphone Playback Switch", index=0, device=0
    ControlAmp: chs=3, dir=Out, idx=0, ofs=0
  Amp-Out caps: N/A
  Amp-Out vals: [0xab 0xab]
  Converter: stream=8, channel=0
  Power states:
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 13 samples
Node 0x17 [Audio Output] wcaps 0xd0c05: Stereo Amp-Out R/L
  Control: name="Speaker Playback Volume", index=0, device=0
    ControlAmp: chs=3, dir=Out, idx=0, ofs=0
  Control: name="Speaker Playback Switch", index=0, device=0
    ControlAmp: chs=3, dir=Out, idx=0, ofs=0
  Amp-Out caps: N/A
  Amp-Out vals: [0xab 0xab]
  Converter: stream=8, channel=0
  Power states:
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 13 samples

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Raymond (superquad-vortex2) wrote :
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B.J. Herbison (bj-herbison) wrote :

> does it support 5.1 since there are three jacks at same location (ext left) on your notebook ?

Three separate jacks, one labeled with a microphone and two labeled with headphone images.

> is it dual headphone jacks or headphone and line out ?

It looks like dual headphone. I've never used them, the headsets I've attached are USB.

> do you mean the name of volume control of line out Jack should not pcm ?

I don't understand the question. When I lower the volume mute is automatically applied to "Master", Headphone", "Speaker", and "PCM" (as shown in "Audio Mixer - HDA Intel MID (Alsa mixer)". This happens in one of three ways:
1) Pressing "quieter"(not "mute") past a certain point on the computer keyboard.
2) Dropping slider past a certain point in the XFCE panel Audio Mixer widget.
3) Dropping the Master slider past a certain point in Audio Mixer.

In none of these cases do I want mute, I want the sound back when I move the slider up or press "louder". I shouldn't have to run the full Audio Mixer and click four buttons and move a slider before sound appears.

I am only concerned with the sound sent to the internal speakers. However, I just checked and I do need to unmute all four places (including Headphone and Speakers) before sound comes out of the internal speakers.

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Raymond (superquad-vortex2) wrote :

the pin default of you notebook are similar to those thinkcenter (desktop with internal speaker, line out at rear panel and headphone at front panel) the main difference are the headphone and line out Jack at same location which can support 4 or 6 channels by retasking Mic Jack as output

for desktop , headphone can automute lineout and/or speakers

but notebook with two headphone Jack , the speaker is automuted when any headphone is plugged but unmuted when all headphones are unplugged

ports:
  analog-input-microphone-internal: Internal Microphone (priority 8900, latency offset 0 usec, available: unknown)
   properties:
    device.icon_name = "audio-input-microphone"
  analog-input-microphone: Microphone (priority 8700, latency offset 0 usec, available: no)
   properties:
    device.icon_name = "audio-input-microphone"
  analog-output: Analog Output (priority 9900, latency offset 0 usec, available: unknown)
   properties:

  analog-output-speaker: Speakers (priority 10000, latency offset 0 usec, available: unknown)
   properties:
    device.icon_name = "audio-speakers"
  analog-output-headphones: Headphones (priority 9000, latency offset 0 usec, available: no)
   properties:
    device.icon_name = "audio-headphones"

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Raymond (superquad-vortex2) wrote :

Codec: IDT 92HD73C1X5
Address: 0
AFG Function Id: 0x1 (unsol 1)
Vendor Id: 0x111d7675
Subsystem Id: 0x102802eb
Revision Id: 0x100103
No Modem Function Group found
Default PCM:
    rates [0x5e0]: 44100 48000 88200 96000 192000
    bits [0xe]: 16 20 24
    formats [0x1]: PCM
Default Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x03, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
Default Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x7f, nsteps=0x7f, stepsize=0x02, mute=1
State of AFG node 0x01:

Node 0x15 [Audio Output] wcaps 0xd0c05: Stereo Amp-Out R/L
  Control: name="PCM Playback Volume", index=0, device=0
    ControlAmp: chs=3, dir=Out, idx=0, ofs=0
  Control: name="PCM Playback Switch", index=0, device=0
    ControlAmp: chs=3, dir=Out, idx=0, ofs=0
  Device: name="92HD73C1X5 Analog", type="Audio", device=0
  Amp-Out caps: N/A
  Amp-Out vals: [0x80 0x80]
  Converter: stream=8, channel=0
  Power states:
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 13 samples

although your audio output node does not have mute switch mute=0 but the afg node Default amp out cap mute=1

https://bugzilla.kernel.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Drivers

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Raymond (superquad-vortex2) wrote :

the bug is
dB min of virtual Master playback volume is different from it slaves

state.MID {
 control.1 {
  iface MIXER
  name 'PCM Playback Volume'
  value.0 55
  value.1 55
  comment {
   access 'read write'
   type INTEGER
   count 2
   range '0 - 127'
   dbmin -9525
   dbmax 0
   dbvalue.0 -5400
   dbvalue.1 -5400
  }
 }
 control.2 {
  iface MIXER
  name 'PCM Playback Switch'
  value.0 false
  value.1 false
  comment {
   access 'read write'
   type BOOLEAN
   count 2
  }
 }
 control.3 {
  iface MIXER
  name 'Headphone Playback Volume'
  value.0 127
  value.1 127
  comment {
   access 'read write'
   type INTEGER
   count 2
   range '0 - 127'
   dbmin -9525
   dbmax 0
   dbvalue.0 0
   dbvalue.1 0
  }
 }
 control.4 {
  iface MIXER
  name 'Headphone Playback Switch'
  value.0 false
  value.1 false
  comment {
   access 'read write'
   type BOOLEAN
   count 2
  }
 }
 control.5 {
  iface MIXER
  name 'Speaker Playback Volume'
  value.0 127
  value.1 127
  comment {
   access 'read write'
   type INTEGER
   count 2
   range '0 - 127'
   dbmin -9525
   dbmax 0
   dbvalue.0 0
   dbvalue.1 0
  }
 }
 control.6 {
  iface MIXER
  name 'Speaker Playback Switch'
  value.0 false
  value.1 false
  comment {
   access 'read write'
   type BOOLEAN
   count 2
  }
 }

 control.17 {
  iface MIXER
  name 'Master Playback Volume'
  value 43
  comment {
   access 'read write'
   type INTEGER
   count 1
   range '0 - 127'
   dbmin -9999999
   dbmax 0
   dbvalue.0 -6300
  }
 }

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Raymond (superquad-vortex2) wrote :

Node 0x15 [Audio Output] wcaps 0xd0c05: Stereo Amp-Out R/L

bit 3 and bit 4 of wcaps

7.3.4.6 Audio Widget Capabilities The Audio Capabilities control returns a set of bit fields describing the audio capabilities of the widget. Parameter ID: 09h

If Amp Param Override is a 1, the widget contains its own amplifier parameters. If this bit is a 0, then the Audio Function node must contain default amplifier parameters, and they should be used to define all amplifier parameters (both input and output) in this widget.

If (In|Out) AmpPresent is a 1, the widget contains an input or output amplifier, as indicated. The Amp Param Override bit should be examined to determine whether the widget contains default amplifier parameters or has amplifier parameters that need to be explicitly queried. The “In Amp Present” bit is only relevant for Sum Widgets, Input Converters, and Pin Complexes. The “Out Amp Present” bit is only relevant for Selector Widgets, Sum Widgets, Output Converter Widgets, and Pin Complex Widgets.

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Raymond (superquad-vortex2) wrote :

https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/tiwai/sound.git/commit/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c?id=de8c85f7840e5e29629de95f5af24297fb325e0b

you have to send email to the author

seem this codec have mute switch at afg node

Codec: IDT 92HD73C1X5
 Address: 0
 AFG Function Id: 0x1 (unsol 1)
 Vendor Id: 0x111d7675
 Subsystem Id: 0x102802eb
 Revision Id: 0x100103
 No Modem Function Group found
 Default PCM:
     rates [0x5e0]: 44100 48000 88200 96000 192000
     bits [0xe]: 16 20 24
     formats [0x1]: PCM
 Default Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x03, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
 Default Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x7f, nsteps=0x7f, stepsize=0x02, mute=1

Changed in alsa-driver (Ubuntu):
status: New → Incomplete
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B.J. Herbison (bj-herbison) wrote :

Thank you for your investigation.

I sent e-mail to Clemens Ladisch and asked him to comment on this bug report.

I see this report is now marked Incomplete. What other information do I need to provide to remove that designation?

A web page suggested I use "ubuntu-bug -s audio" to report my problem, which led me here. Is there a better forum to report this issue?

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Clemens Ladisch (clemens-ladisch) wrote :

Apparently, the minimum-is-mute information got lost in commit <http://git.kernel.org/linus/36c9db7a1aca> (Use generic parser for STAC/IDT codec driver).

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Takashi Iwai (tiwai) wrote : Re: [Bug 1357928] Re: [HDA-Intel - HDA Intel MID, playback] volume slider problem - Slide to bottom and sound stays off even when slider moved up again

At Tue, 19 Aug 2014 12:44:59 -0000,
Clemens Ladisch wrote:
>
> Apparently, the minimum-is-mute information got lost in commit
> <http://git.kernel.org/linus/36c9db7a1aca> (Use generic parser for
> STAC/IDT codec driver).

It's currently set only to vmaster, so Master has it, but speaker and
headphone don't have them yet.

I'll cook up some fix later.

Takashi

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Raymond (superquad-vortex2) wrote : Re: [HDA-Intel - HDA Intel MID, playback] volume slider problem - Slide to bottom and sound stays off even when slider moved up again

speaker-test -c2 -t wav -D hw:0,0

use hda-analyzer to mute/injure the output amplifier of node 0x15, 0x16 and 0x17 to verify that the mute swich work as expected

no need to add fake mute

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B.J. Herbison (bj-herbison) wrote :

Is there a reason this bug is still marked incomplete? Is there any additional information I need to provide?

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Raymond (superquad-vortex2) wrote :

the patch was made for stac9200 and stac9205 and only tested by reporter with those two codecs

it is a regression of the driver which applied to all sigmatel codecs

static struct snd_kcontrol_new stac9200_mixer[] = {
- HDA_CODEC_VOLUME("Master Playback Volume", 0xb, 0, HDA_OUTPUT),
+ HDA_CODEC_VOLUME_MIN_MUTE("Master Playback Volume", 0xb, 0, HDA_OUTPUT),
  HDA_CODEC_MUTE("Master Playback Switch", 0xb, 0, HDA_OUTPUT),
  HDA_CODEC_VOLUME("Capture Volume", 0x0a, 0, HDA_OUTPUT),
  HDA_CODEC_MUTE("Capture Switch", 0x0a, 0, HDA_OUTPUT),
@@ -1020,7 +1020,7 @@ static struct snd_kcontrol_new stac92hd71bxx_loopback[] = {
 };

 static struct snd_kcontrol_new stac925x_mixer[] = {
- HDA_CODEC_VOLUME("Master Playback Volume", 0x0e, 0, HDA_OUTPUT),
+ HDA_CODEC_VOLUME_MIN_MUTE("Master Playback Volume", 0xe, 0, HDA_OUTPUT),
  HDA_CODEC_MUTE("Master Playback Switch", 0x0e, 0, HDA_OUTPUT),
  { } /* end */
 };
@@ -1144,6 +1144,8 @@ static int stac92xx_build_controls(struct hda_codec *codec)
      HDA_OUTPUT, vmaster_tlv);
   /* correct volume offset */
   vmaster_tlv[2] += vmaster_tlv[3] * spec->volume_offset;
+ /* minimum value is actually mute */
+ vmaster_tlv[3] |= 0x1000;
   err = snd_hda_add_vmaster(codec, "Master Playback Volume",
        vmaster_tlv, slave_vols);
   if (err < 0)

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Raymond (superquad-vortex2) wrote :

http://www.temposemi.com/products/pclaptop-hd/stac9200/

the function block diagram indicate the mono out (subwoofer)
 has it own mute switch which is not controlled by the master playback switch

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Raymond (superquad-vortex2) wrote :

http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2010-October/032126.html

the problem of his notebook is no independent mute switch for headphone and speaker and the subwooder has its own mute switch

summary: - [HDA-Intel - HDA Intel MID, playback] volume slider problem - Slide to
+ [Studio1747, IDT 92HD73C1X5,playback] volume slider problem - Slide to
bottom and sound stays off even when slider moved up again
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B.J. Herbison (bj-herbison) wrote :

I would be glad to test the changes. Would that help?

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Takashi Iwai (tiwai) wrote : Re: [Bug 1357928] Re: [Studio1747, IDT 92HD73C1X5, playback] volume slider problem - Slide to bottom and sound stays off even when slider moved up again

For the recent kernels, try the patch below.

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Takashi Iwai (tiwai) wrote : [PATCH] ALSA: hda - Add TLV_DB_SCALE_MUTE bit for relevant controls
Download full text (5.3 KiB)

The DACs on Sigmatel/IDT codecs do mute at the lowest volume level,
and in the earlier drivers, we passed TLV_DB_SCALE_MUTE bit for each
volume control element like Speaker and Headphone as well as Master.
Along with the translation to the generic parser, however, the TLV bit
was lost for the slave controls (e.g. Speaker) but set only to
Master. In theory this should have sufficed, but apps, particularly
PA, do care the slave volume bits, so we seem to see a regression in
the volume controls.

This patch adds a flag to hda_gen_spec to specify the DAC mute
feature, and adds the TLV bit properly for all relevant volume
controls. Also, the TLV bit for vmaster is set in hda_generic.c, so
that we can get rid of all tricks from the codec driver side.

As the similar hack is applied to Conexant 5051 stuff, we can get rid
of it as well.

BugLink: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1357928
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <email address hidden>
---
 sound/pci/hda/hda_generic.c | 9 ++++++++-
 sound/pci/hda/hda_generic.h | 1 +
 sound/pci/hda/patch_conexant.c | 8 ++------
 sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c | 5 +----
 4 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)

diff --git a/sound/pci/hda/hda_generic.c b/sound/pci/hda/hda_generic.c
index b956449ddada..95121e818b4d 100644
--- a/sound/pci/hda/hda_generic.c
+++ b/sound/pci/hda/hda_generic.c
@@ -31,6 +31,7 @@
 #include <linux/module.h>
 #include <sound/core.h>
 #include <sound/jack.h>
+#include <sound/tlv.h>
 #include "hda_codec.h"
 #include "hda_local.h"
 #include "hda_auto_parser.h"
@@ -1105,6 +1106,7 @@ enum {
  */
 static int assign_out_path_ctls(struct hda_codec *codec, struct nid_path *path)
 {
+ struct hda_gen_spec *spec = codec->spec;
  hda_nid_t nid;
  unsigned int val;
  int badness = 0;
@@ -1119,6 +1121,8 @@ static int assign_out_path_ctls(struct hda_codec *codec, struct nid_path *path)
  nid = look_for_out_vol_nid(codec, path);
  if (nid) {
   val = HDA_COMPOSE_AMP_VAL(nid, 3, 0, HDA_OUTPUT);
+ if (spec->dac_min_mute)
+ val |= HDA_AMP_VAL_MIN_MUTE;
   if (is_ctl_used(codec, val, NID_PATH_VOL_CTL))
    badness += BAD_SHARED_VOL;
   else
@@ -1880,9 +1884,12 @@ static int parse_output_paths(struct hda_codec *codec)
   path = snd_hda_get_path_from_idx(codec, spec->out_paths[0]);
   if (path)
    spec->vmaster_nid = look_for_out_vol_nid(codec, path);
- if (spec->vmaster_nid)
+ if (spec->vmaster_nid) {
    snd_hda_set_vmaster_tlv(codec, spec->vmaster_nid,
       HDA_OUTPUT, spec->vmaster_tlv);
+ if (spec->dac_min_mute)
+ spec->vmaster_tlv[3] |= TLV_DB_SCALE_MUTE;
+ }
  }

  /* set initial pinctl targets */
diff --git a/sound/pci/hda/hda_generic.h b/sound/pci/hda/hda_generic.h
index bb2dea743986..3f95f1d3f1f8 100644
--- a/sound/pci/hda/hda_generic.h
+++ b/sound/pci/hda/hda_generic.h
@@ -231,6 +231,7 @@ struct hda_gen_spec {
  unsigned int add_stereo_mix_input:1; /* add aamix as a capture src */
  unsigned int add_jack_modes:1; /* add i/o jack mode enum ctls */
  unsigned int power_down_unused:1; /* power down unused widgets */
+ unsigned int dac_min_mute:1; /* minimal = mute for DACs */

  /* other internal flags */
  unsigned int no_analog:1; /* digital I/O only */
diff --git a/sound/pci/hda/p...

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Launchpad Janitor (janitor) wrote :

[Expired for alsa-driver (Ubuntu) because there has been no activity for 60 days.]

Changed in alsa-driver (Ubuntu):
status: Incomplete → Expired
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B.J. Herbison (bj-herbison) wrote :

How do I get this out of "Expired" state? This is still a very annoying problem.

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