Comment 134 for bug 882274

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Tal Liron (emblem-parade) wrote :

@Benajmin,

Unfortunately your attitude exemplifies the problem.

I don't know how you define community, but Launchpad and all the people posting here (and on the related bugs) are an obvious part of the community of Ubuntu users. As are journalists, bloggers, and managers of such sites as Distrowatch. Your blatant disrespect for all of these -- while at the same time claiming victory! -- is a sure sign of being out-of-touch, and ultimately failing.

What happened is that the Unity team has surrounded itself with yes-men, contributers who are pre-selected for supporting the decisions, and so for insiders there is an illusion that everything is great.

This was the core of my argument with Shuttleworth: he really dislikes my using the terms "insider" vs. "outsider" in discussing the Unity and Ubuntu community, but statements such as yours, Benjamin, make it crystal clear that these terms have legs.

Look, people like me are never going to be "insiders." I'm too busy with other things (mostly in free software) to join all the internal mailing lists and discussions. But I depend on Ubuntu for myself and many of my clients, and I evalute, blog and proseltyze where appropriate. And, of course, I open bugs, and follow through on them, which I personally think is a very, very important community contribution, and I'm constantly exaspertated by how flippantly these bugs are closed.

It's your decision to push people like me to the "outside." We're sensationalists? We flip flop? Well, OK, but we're your community, and we're the key to your ongoing success... or eventual failure. Ignore us at your own risk.