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Bug #668415
Comment #162

Comment 162 for bug 668415

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Fernando (fernandocarvalho1987) wrote on 2011-10-29: Re: [Bug 668415] Re: Movement of Unity launcher

#162

I think that for now, since Mr Shuttleworth is trying to make our lives
miserable, we should consider doing a "sudo apt-get install xfce4" and make
that our default desktop. This follows what our dear Linus Torvalds is doing
on his own desktop: he gave up to use KDE and Gnome3 because their bad taste
of what a desktop should be. Since Unity and Gnome3 follows the same
orientation (to think that users are dumb enough to use a regular desktop
manager) we could consider them the same.

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 10:46 AM, SRoesgen <email address hidden>wrote:

> If you all do not mind, I want to answer to the request of Mr
> Shuttleworth to define the term "power user" and will then elaborate on
> my perspective on the term Power User.
>
> Wikipedia:
> A power user is a user of a personal computer who has the ability to use
> advanced features of programs which are beyond the abilities of "normal"
> users, but is not necessarily capable of programming and system
> administration. In enterprise software systems such as Oracle or SAP, this
> title may go to an individual who is not a programmer, but who is a
> specialist in a transaction or a business process. The "Super User" in
> enterprise programs (SAP, Oracle) often refers to an individual who is an
> expert in a module or process within the enterprise system.
>
> http://www.webopedia.com:
> A sophisticated user of personal computers. A power user is typically
> someone who has considerable experience with computers and utilizes the most
> advanced features of applications.
>
> http://www.techterms.com (excerpt)
> "Power users [...] require top-of-the-line machines that are optimized for
> their work purposes. Power users include video-editing professionals,
> high-end graphic designers, audio producers, and those who use their
> computers for scientific research. Professional gamers (yes, there is such a
> thing) also fall under this category. [...]"
>
>
> So now that we have some definitions I suppose we can go on, can't we?
>
> All in all, these definitions state that one does not necessarily need
> to have programming skills or be a system administrator. But one knows
> how to use special software and how to use the more advanced features of
> the operating system and of an application. This then would mean that a
> Power User is anybody who does not use his PC only for "checking
> e-mails", "writing text documents" and "searching/browsing the
> internet". A power user is somebody who uses advanced and/or special
> applications, who knows where to find certain options in the operating
> system, who knows how to modify the actions triggered by a left or right
> mouseclick, who knew (in Widnows or Gnome 2) how to modify the taskbar
> so that it does autohide etc.... A power user is somebody who has a
> certain workflow and knows what he want and expects from an operating
> system. Somebody with experience, somebody who has modified his workflow
> over many years so that he knows now exactly what he wants. (Or what she
> wants)
>
> What Unity does: it breaks with old paradigms of the operating systems
> known. This is certainly not always bad. But even Windows 8 will have a
> legacy mode to get back to the old desktop one knows.
>
> That is the special issue here. Being a Power User is simply being able
> to customize the system, so that the OS can be fitted to your
> expectations, to your daily workflow. Currently Ubuntu is NOT for Power
> Users. Because Ubuntu/Unity makes the user fit to Unity's workflow, not
> vice versa.
>
> Your favourite, Mr Shuttleworth, was the user who preferred the mouse?
> Maybe this user was indeed no Power User, especially if he did not know
> anything about the options of the operating system.
> Still, being a Power User is not being somebody who uses the Keyboard and
> preferring the keyboard over the mouse. I consider myself a power user. I
> use advanced features of LibreOffice Calc, to create formulas, I write
> scripts in python to analyse text data, I use databases to store the found
> data and conduct further analysis on this data. I use programs written in
> python and java (not written by me) to do much of the interaction with the
> databases. I use specific tools to do analysis on text corpora. (Some of my
> friends and colleagues use different tools and different methods to work
> with audio corpora or even videos. They use even more different tools to
> analyse the data.) Still, most of the time I prefer using the mouse.
> Clicking on something IS faster than typing things. Especially if I can put
> the icons (of small scripts) where I want them to be. I use the keyboard
> only if it is faster. But everytime I have to take a hand away from the
> mouse to get to the keyboard, to type something, and then I have to go back
> to the mouse I loose time. I want hot corner actions to be modifyable in
> the system by default (without installing ccsm). It is fast to switch
> workspaces with those hot corner actions. I want to show the desktop by
> clicking in the launcher instead of hitting Alt+Tab. And if I say, for me
> it is faster to work when I can go to the bottom of the screen to reach the
> launcher, I want to be able to place the launcher there.
>
> I am a Power User. If I want to configure the system and if I need to
> search the internet (or the Software Center) to find application to do this
> configurations, I am normally somebody who says "so be it so!". BUT if those
> things I want to modify or configure have existed in many operating systems
> for many years and I usually can take them for granted, and if,
> additionally, some of these features are denied to me unless I fork the
> system or install an unsupported patch, then I have to question the sanity
> of the designers.
> We are not talking about implementing features into Unity, which have never
> been seen before. We are not talking about features that a group of people
> invented and that this group of people wants to be implemented because they
> came up with a strange design idea that they want see to become part of the
> system. Instead, we are talking about a feature that existed everywhere in
> every OS. A feature that will not, definitively not, break the system or the
> use concept of the system. It is about options. Being a power user is being
> about options, about configurability. It is not being about shortcuts or
> about using the keyboard more efficeintly. My times of using the terminal or
> the console are over. That can be done by script kiddies and console jockeys
> who like doing so. And if they have fun hacking on the keyboard that is no
> problem for me. I know the times of Ms Dos and of early Linux. I was really
> happy when I was able to stop using the keyboard extensively/intensively. I
> do not need this. A line of code or bash commands maybe fast. But it is
> never faster than a mouse click. If I have to use the shell, then I can use
> it. But I prefer to not do it.
> So now, Mr Shuttleworth, you had your answer. You have a definition of a
> Power User (several of them). You have a description of my workflow and
> needs. And my needs are those of some other people who do similar tasks.
> Perhaps indeed a small group of people. But I would like to hear what the
> rest of the users here have to say about this. Perhaps they recognized these
> needs as well. Perhaps they can add to this. You say you do not only want to
> hear demands? Ok! So, this was a description, which offered you more details
> in my work than I think you should need. Because I think, if I say, there is
> a need of a feature and if many other people says so, too.
>
> About your user tests and 20 Million Ubuntu users:
> Perhaps there are only 156 "affects me" voters against 20 Million Ubuntu
> users. But who else despite those 156 people has the same needs and does not
> voice his needs on launchpad? Additionally: you say 20 Million users of
> Ubuntu? Fine! But what about those 10 people you test every month. That are
> 120 people within a year. We got 156 "affects me votes" within less time
> than a year. So think again about the numbers you use.
>
> I, indeed, am not somebody who has no really big problem with the position
> of the launcher. It is the smallest problem I have with Unity at the moment.
> I like many of the concepts and design ideas of Unity. Those things that I
> do NOT like are all tied to the fact that Unity cannot be configured. For
> me, this bug, annoying as it is, for both our sides, serves only as an
> example for this unconfigurability.
> You want to include Power Users? Then be honest. There is NO special type
> of Power User. Power Users configure the system to their needs. The more
> configurability, the more Power Users will jump onto your train.
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to a
> duplicate bug report (821156).
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/668415
>
> Title:
> Movement of Unity launcher
>
> Status in Ayatana Design:
> Won't Fix
> Status in NULL Project:
> Invalid
> Status in Unity:
> Won't Fix
> Status in Ubuntu:
> Won't Fix
>
> Bug description:
> Please consider this a possible feature request or wishlist.
>
> Now when Unity will be default desktop for 11.04 could you please
> consider to add option to configure Unity launcher placement. Add
> simple option to lock/unlock through right-click menu and drag
> launcher to desired location like left/right and bottom.
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/668415/+subscriptions
>

--
Fernando

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 10:46 AM, SRoesgen <668415@bugs.launchpad.net>wrote:

> If you all do not mind, I want to answer to the request of Mr
> Shuttleworth to define the term "power user" and will then elaborate on
> my perspective on the term Power User.
>
> Wikipedia:
> A power user is a user of a personal computer who has the ability to use
> advanced features of programs which are beyond the abilities of "normal"
> users, but is not necessarily capable of programming and system
> administration. In enterprise software systems such as Oracle or SAP, this
> title may go to an individual who is not a programmer, but who is a
> specialist in a transaction or a business process. The "Super User" in
> enterprise programs (SAP, Oracle) often refers to an individual who is an
> expert in a module or process within the enterprise system.
>
> http://www.webopedia.com:
> A sophisticated user of personal computers. A power user is typically
> someone who has considerable experience with computers and utilizes the most
> advanced features of applications.
>
> http://www.techterms.com (excerpt)
> "Power users [...] require top-of-the-line machines that are optimized for
> their work purposes. Power users include video-editing professionals,
> high-end graphic designers, audio producers, and those who use their
> computers for scientific research. Professional gamers (yes, there is such a
> thing) also fall under this category. [...]"
>
>
> So now that we have some definitions I suppose we can go on, can't we?
>
> All in all, these definitions state that one does not necessarily need
> to have programming skills or be a system administrator. But one knows
> how to use special software and how to use the more advanced features of
> the operating system and of an application. This then would mean that a
> Power User is anybody who does not use his PC only for "checking
> e-mails", "writing text documents" and "searching/browsing the
> internet". A power user is somebody who uses advanced and/or special
> applications, who knows where to find certain options in the operating
> system, who knows how to modify the actions triggered by a left or right
> mouseclick, who knew (in Widnows or Gnome 2) how to modify the taskbar
> so that it does autohide etc.... A power user is somebody who has a
> certain workflow and knows what he want and expects from an operating
> system. Somebody with experience, somebody who has modified his workflow
> over many years so that he knows now exactly what he wants. (Or what she
> wants)
>
> What Unity does: it breaks with old paradigms of the operating systems
> known. This is certainly not always bad. But even Windows 8 will have a
> legacy mode to get back to the old desktop one knows.
>
> That is the special issue here. Being a Power User is simply being able
> to customize the system, so that the OS can be fitted to your
> expectations, to your daily workflow. Currently Ubuntu is NOT for Power
> Users. Because Ubuntu/Unity makes the user fit to Unity's workflow, not
> vice versa.
>
> Your favourite, Mr Shuttleworth, was the user who preferred the mouse?
> Maybe this user was indeed no Power User, especially if he did not know
> anything about the options of the operating system.
> Still, being a Power User is not being somebody who uses the Keyboard and
> preferring the keyboard over the mouse. I consider myself a power user. I
> use advanced features of LibreOffice Calc, to create formulas, I write
> scripts in python to analyse text data, I use databases to store the found
> data and conduct  further analysis on this data. I use programs written in
> python and java (not written by me) to do much of the interaction with the
> databases. I use specific tools to do analysis on text corpora. (Some of my
> friends and colleagues use different tools and different methods to work
> with audio corpora or even videos. They use even more different tools to
> analyse the data.) Still, most of the time I prefer using the mouse.
> Clicking on something IS faster than typing things. Especially if I can put
> the icons (of small scripts) where I want them to be. I use the keyboard
> only if it is faster. But everytime I have to take a hand away from the
> mouse to get to the keyboard, to type something, and then I have to go back
> to the mouse I loose time.  I want hot corner actions to be modifyable in
> the system by default (without installing ccsm). It is fast to switch
> workspaces with those hot corner actions. I want to show the desktop by
> clicking in the launcher instead of hitting Alt+Tab.  And if I say, for me
> it is faster to work when I can go to the bottom of the screen to reach the
> launcher, I want to be able to place the launcher there.
>
> I am a Power User. If I want to configure the system and if I need to
> search the internet (or the Software Center) to find application to do this
> configurations, I am normally somebody who says "so be it so!". BUT if those
> things I want to modify or configure have existed in many operating systems
> for many years and I usually can take them for granted, and if,
> additionally, some of these features are denied to me unless I fork the
> system or install an unsupported patch, then I have to question the sanity
> of the designers.
> We are not talking about implementing features into Unity, which have never
> been seen before. We are not talking about features that a group of people
> invented and that this group of people wants to be implemented because they
> came up with a strange design idea that they want see to become part of the
> system. Instead, we are talking about a feature that existed everywhere in
> every OS. A feature that will not, definitively not, break the system or the
> use concept of the system. It is about options. Being a power user is being
> about options, about configurability. It is not being about shortcuts or
> about using the keyboard more efficeintly. My times of using the terminal or
> the console are over. That can be done by script kiddies and console jockeys
> who like doing so. And if they have fun hacking on the keyboard that is no
> problem for me. I know the times of Ms Dos and of early Linux. I was really
> happy when I was able to stop using the keyboard extensively/intensively. I
> do not need this. A line of code or bash commands maybe fast. But it is
> never faster than a mouse click. If I have to use the shell, then I can use
> it. But I prefer to not  do it.
> So now, Mr Shuttleworth, you had your answer. You have a definition of a
> Power User (several of them). You have a description of my workflow and
> needs. And my needs are those of some other people who do similar tasks.
> Perhaps indeed a small group of people. But I would like to hear what the
> rest of the users here have to say about this. Perhaps they recognized these
> needs as well. Perhaps they can add to this. You say you do not only want to
> hear demands? Ok! So, this was a description, which offered you more details
> in my work than I think you should need. Because I think, if I say, there is
> a need of a feature and if many other people says so, too.
>
> About your user tests and 20 Million Ubuntu users:
> Perhaps there are only 156 "affects me" voters against 20 Million Ubuntu
> users. But who else despite those 156 people has the same needs and does not
> voice his needs on launchpad? Additionally: you say 20 Million users of
> Ubuntu? Fine! But what about those 10 people you test every month. That are
> 120 people within a year. We got 156 "affects me votes" within less time
> than a year. So think again about the numbers you use.
>
> I, indeed, am not somebody who has no really big problem with the position
> of the launcher. It is the smallest problem I have with Unity at the moment.
> I like many of the concepts and design ideas of Unity. Those things that I
> do NOT  like are all tied to the fact that Unity cannot be configured. For
> me, this bug, annoying as it is, for both our sides, serves only as an
> example for this unconfigurability.
> You want to include Power Users? Then be honest. There is NO special type
> of Power User. Power Users configure the system to their needs. The more
> configurability, the more Power Users will jump onto your train.
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to a
> duplicate bug report (821156).
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/668415
>
> Title:
>  Movement of Unity launcher
>
> Status in Ayatana Design:
>  Won't Fix
> Status in NULL Project:
>  Invalid
> Status in Unity:
>  Won't Fix
> Status in Ubuntu:
>  Won't Fix
>
> Bug description:
>  Please consider this a possible feature request or wishlist.
>
>  Now when Unity will be default desktop for 11.04 could you please
>  consider to add option to configure Unity launcher placement. Add
>  simple option to lock/unlock through right-click menu and drag
>  launcher to desired location like left/right and bottom.
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/668415/+subscriptions
>

-- 
Fernando