Comment 141 for bug 332945

This new feature is a slap in the face to users who have up until now have
been following a well established model of notification.
Ubuntu has been operating this way for years.

Now we file a bug report because for many of us, this IS a feature
regression.
The developers respond in a heavy handed manner saying that our concerns are
not valid... another slap in the face.

It sure feels like a battle. Do you simply not see the opposition here, or
do you choose to ignore it?
Why isn't such a drastic change in policy configurable by the user?
You're writing software for users... aren't you?

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Alan Pope <email address hidden> wrote:

> 2009/4/8 mac_v <email address hidden>:
> > @Matthew >>> RIDICULOUS EXPLANATIONS <<<
> > 1] seems to be a deliberate move... OK .. thts understood
> > 2] & 3]not obvious???gratuitously difficult.????????? ARE U
> KIDDING????????
> >
>
> Lets keep this calm and adult shall we.
>
> > the reasons we have road signs as symbols rather than instructions is
> > since they are more obvious!!!just like icons over windows with text!
> >
>
> I don't know about your region, but where I come from road signs are
> rarely 24 pixels high!
>
> In addition in the UK we have a book full of them called the "Highway
> Code" which is a lookup table of signs and their meanings, with a
> couple of tests before you are allowed to drive alone. On the desktop
> we don't have such a test, people can download and install Ubuntu with
> nothing more than a CD or a web link.
>
> The update notifier icon is an orange splodge or red arrow that has no
> metaphor. The battery icon looks like a battery, the network icons now
> look a bit like network signal on the now ubiquitous cell phone, the
> bluetooth icon is indeed a bluetooth icon.
>
> The update-notifier icon only means something once someone tells you
> what it is.
>
> > OK seems that this battle is not going to be won by the users!
> >
>
> This isn't a battle. It's a bug report.
>
> --
> [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
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>
> Status in Ubuntu Release Notes: New
> Status in “update-notifier” source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in update-notifier in Ubuntu Jaunty: Won't Fix
>
> Bug description:
> I am referring to the removal up the update-notifier in the Gnome
> notification area. The discussion of it is embedded in the thread headed
> by:
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027416.html
>
> Specific messages worth reading are:
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027434.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027451.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027454.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027437.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027445.html
>
> Matthew Paul Thomas says that the desired behavior is:
>
> * When there are security updates, Update Manager will open and show
> them (plus any other available updates) within a day.
>
> * When there are non-security updates, Update Manager will open and
> show them *one week* after it was last opened (whether it was last
> opened manually or automatically, and regardless of whether updates
> were actually installed then).
>
> * When there are no available updates, Update Manager will not open
> automatically at all.
>
> Desired by whom? And where was discussion of this change that effects the
> entire Ubuntu community? Because some percentage of users don't apparently
> understand that the notification area has meaning, we are not going to use
> it for updates? Chow Loong Jin raised a valid point that if update
> notification is now done by opening the entire update manager program,
> perhaps evolution and similar should open their application UIs rather than
> use the notification area. And there are concerns about unintended
> functional consequences of this ill-conceived change, discussed in the
> thread.
>
> Personally, I predict that opening the Update Manager window while people
> are working will piss off a lot of users when it happens, and may result in
> them wanting to disable automatic checking. Yes, that'll be highly
> desirable, won't it?
>
> In other words, this change should be corrected, and a notification icon
> should be displayed when updates are available.
>
> To disable the new behaviour and get the old behaviour use:
>
> gconftool -s --type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false
>
> Take into account that this gconf change is not supported.
>