Comment 137 for bug 332945

i have to agree with mac_v

On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 13:56 +0000, mac_v wrote:
> Matthew Paul Thomas wrote::
> (1) Yes, it is more obtrusive, that's entirely deliberate, and I don't know what "study" you're referring to.
> (2) Using a notification icon to advertise updates is a bad idea first because it's not obvious, and second because it makes installing the updates gratuitously difficult.
> (3) Using a notification icon to advertise that a restart is required is a bad idea first because it's not obvious, and second because it makes restarting gratuitously difficult.
>
> @Matthew >>> RIDICULOUS EXPLANATIONS <<<
> 1] seems to be a deliberate move... OK .. thts understood
> 2] & 3]not obvious???gratuitously difficult.????????? ARE U KIDDING????????
>
> the reasons we have road signs as symbols rather than instructions is
> since they are more obvious!!!just like icons over windows with text!
>
> with notification icons number of clicks to install updates>
> 1-click the icon for update > update manager is opened showing list of updates an option to install or close
> 2-click on install updates
> THATS IT...
>
> with notification icons number of clicks to restart>
> 1-click the icon for restart > restart dialogue is opened showing an option to restart now or restart later
> 2-click on restart
> THATS IT...
>
> 2 clicks for both the steps and i dont understand how u define
> gratuitously difficult !!!
>
> what u are doing this far worse>>>
> when the user chooses to update later
> 1-click to close the dialogue
> 2-click on panel for system menu
> 3- to reopen the update manager from system menu
> 4-to install updates...
>
> so i guess that 4 clicks are easier than 2?????
>
> OK seems that this battle is not going to be won by the users!
>
> cant we all co-exist? hear me out
> option1:
> proceed with the way u have planned by opening a pop-under window for notifications
> BUT WHEN the user decides to update/restart later, display an icon { extra option which is disabled by default but can be set to show icon from settings in the update manager}
>
> option2:***** to satisfy the regular user, and for all who complain provide an option to allow notification icon display****
> a better way would be allow the user to decide whether the pop-under / icon is better for them, with the pop-under being the default setup...
>
> the DELIBERATE steps u have taken for the new update notification system
> are understood to all... thought not many agree with it...
>
> >>>PLS consider this extra option of having an icon displayed when the
> user postpones the update/restart <<<<
>
> --
> [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
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>
> Status in Ubuntu Release Notes: New
> Status in “update-notifier” source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in update-notifier in Ubuntu Jaunty: Won't Fix
>
> Bug description:
> I am referring to the removal up the update-notifier in the Gnome notification area. The discussion of it is embedded in the thread headed by:
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027416.html
>
> Specific messages worth reading are:
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027434.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027451.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027454.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027437.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027445.html
>
> Matthew Paul Thomas says that the desired behavior is:
>
> * When there are security updates, Update Manager will open and show
> them (plus any other available updates) within a day.
>
> * When there are non-security updates, Update Manager will open and
> show them *one week* after it was last opened (whether it was last
> opened manually or automatically, and regardless of whether updates
> were actually installed then).
>
> * When there are no available updates, Update Manager will not open
> automatically at all.
>
> Desired by whom? And where was discussion of this change that effects the entire Ubuntu community? Because some percentage of users don't apparently understand that the notification area has meaning, we are not going to use it for updates? Chow Loong Jin raised a valid point that if update notification is now done by opening the entire update manager program, perhaps evolution and similar should open their application UIs rather than use the notification area. And there are concerns about unintended functional consequences of this ill-conceived change, discussed in the thread.
>
> Personally, I predict that opening the Update Manager window while people are working will piss off a lot of users when it happens, and may result in them wanting to disable automatic checking. Yes, that'll be highly desirable, won't it?
>
> In other words, this change should be corrected, and a notification icon should be displayed when updates are available.
>
> To disable the new behaviour and get the old behaviour use:
>
> gconftool -s --type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false
>
> Take into account that this gconf change is not supported.