Comment 4 for bug 2027613

#2 What do we want

Let me try to start this here in more detail.
I think we need a table here to list all desired behavior in the different possible states.
And then look for a solution providing all of that.
I know this is more intense now, but hopefully allows us to fix it just once :-)
(I hope this is monospace for all of you...)

This is what I think you described mitch, please correct me.

Action | Situation | Solution |
Pkg-install | no config, should not start | --no-enable --no-start |
------------|-----------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
Pkg-upgrade | if it runs, do not stop it | --no-enable --no-start |
            | because it would stay off | + --no-stop-on-upgrade |
------------|-----------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
Pkg-upgrade | if does not run, do not start | --no-enable --no-start |
------------|-----------------------------------|-----------------------------------|

#3 What do we really want?

Now the problem with that is that just using the predefined `--no-enable --no-start` or the same with `--no-stop-on-upgrade` won't do all you need.

The table should IMHO actually look like (please really correct me if that is wrong):

Action | Situation | Solution |
Pkg-install | no config, should not start | --no-enable --no-start |
------------|-----------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
Pkg-install | config present, e.g. by config | neither of --no-enable --no-start |
            | or from old install or any | would be allowed |
            | orchestration SW, should start | |
------------|-----------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
Pkg-upgrade | if it runs, restart it to pick up | --no-stop-on-upgrade not allowed |
            | the new code, imagine you have a | |
            | CVE - you need to restart | |
------------|-----------------------------------|-----------------------------------|
Pkg-upgrade | if not configure, do not touch it | need to check if configured |
------------|-----------------------------------|-----------------------------------|

There might be more, feel free to add them to help any sponsor to think with you about it.