places menu should include the trash as a place

[mon]

I think the places menu should include the trash in it's menu. It's an important
place of the desktop and since places shows other places like the computer I
personally think it should be added.

[Sebastien Bacher (seb128)]

Thanks for your bug. The trash is already placed on the right of the bottom
panel which is a pretty obvious target for it. We want to keep the menu clear
and this change is not useful, I'm closing the bug as NOTABUG.

[Sebastien Bacher (seb128)]

*** Bug 26421 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

[Sajjad (sajjadkm)]

This is an accessibility issue. It would be very useful for the blind users if we have a 'Trash' menu item in the 'Places' menu.

[Dylan McCall (dylanmccall)]

It also feels like a consistency issue. The Go menu in Nautilus, as well as its Places sidebar, lists Deleted Items. Other than that one item, the Places menu has similar content.

[Vish (vish)]

Sajjad, Arky: Why is this an ally issue? Aernt users able to bring up the trash from the panel?.

[Sajjad (sajjadkm)]

Vish,
The users are unable to locate the Trash from the bottom panel as there is no description over there. It just says 'Menu'.
The Trash is a place to like any other places shown listed in the Places menu, hence this would be an advantage for them.

[Vish (vish)]

Sajjad wrote :
The users are unable to locate the Trash from the bottom panel as there is no description over there. It just says 'Menu'.

 Shouldnt the proper fix be, to add the description and make it say "Trash" ,
Why the need for duplication? [trying to understand the problem they face]
Also to note is that the Trash can be bookmarked and added to the list if user is so frequently using it.
Why keep extending the list by adding more items and making it a default? We dont have Templates or Public folder either by default. They are places too.

[Jean-Sebastien Dominique (tehwan)]

Not everyone notices a small icon at the bottom right corner of the screen. One could expect to have the Trash in the Places menu, since everything else is there already. (Home folder, Desktop, Documents, Removable media...)

I agree that it is an inconsistency with Nautilus's Go menu and I personally never use the Trash icon at the bottom right on the panel. I have asked Ubuntu-illiterate users to find the Trash, and their first reaction was to go in the Places menu, not to look for an icon that looks like an empty glass of water, I mean, like a trash can. My first reaction as an experienced Ubuntu user is to add it to the Places menu using Nautilus's Bookmark menu. If "Home Folder", "Desktop" and "Computer" are there, why not "Trash"?

[Sajjad (sajjadkm)]

Wolf gets the idea very clear. His case study is very accurate and supports the idea for adding 'Trash' to the 'Places' menu.

[arky (arky)]

Nautilus > Go menu already lists a 'Trash' item right under computer. I suggest that we should provide a trash item under computer in places menu.

[Vish (vish)]

The Fix suggested here would effectively mean duplication of the "Trash" in a default install.[applet and in places menu]

@arky: The Go menu also lists Templates folder, should that be in the Places menu too?
As mentioned earlier , we already have a trash applet by default , the issue is with the Description being "Menu" , that needs fixing rather than duplicating. Further the trash can be added as an extra bookmark, if frequently used.
[I do realize the accessibility work you do for blind users though :) ]

I'v raised this issue with the accessibility team and marking as incomplete awaiting their assessment.

[arky (arky)]

Thanks Vish, much appreciated !

[Alan Bell (alanbell)]

I think we have to separate the operations one might do with the trash system. The function of the applet is primarily so that stuff can be dropped on it to be deleted, so we have the "deleting stuff" use case. One might also want to undelete something, which involves opening it up as a folder and moving one or more files to another location where a file could be put, the "undeleting" use case. Finally one might want to permanently delete the contents, or "empty the trash".
The applet is in a corner of the screen (see Fitts law) and is well placed for dragging stuff with a mouse onto it to delete it. If you are using a keyboard the delete key does the same thing, so it is in fact easier to perform the deleting stuff use case from the keyboard. If you want to do some undeleting or arguably if you want to empty the trash then you are thinking about it in a "its a folder" mindset and it is logical to find it via nautilus.

[Sajjad (sajjadkm)]

Dear Alan.

You are right. But blind people are not going to delete the item by dragging it into the bottom panel. Rather, they would hit the delete button and later if they plan to do an undelete, finds it difficult to locate the trash from the bottom panel. Hence it would make some real sense if we can pull a menu item under places menu.

[Luke Yelavich (themuso)]

I am of the opinion that the applet's accessibility properties should be fixed instead. If users want to go into the trash, then they should find it on the panel.

Having said that, we could probably make it easier somehow if one uses an accessibility profile to install/run the live CD. I am more enclined to set up a shortcut key if possible, to open the trash. Thoughts?

[Vish (vish)]

Thank you for bringing this bug to our attention. And thanks to the feedback from the Accessibility team.
However, a paper cut should be a small usability issue, in the default Ubuntu install, that affects many people and is quick and easy to fix. So this bug can't be addressed as part of this project.

As mentioned earlier,
- Trash applet needs fixing to properly be read as "Trash"

- Adding one more item to the Places menu would be duplicating the trash applet for a default install.
- If the trash is frequented by a user often , it can be easily bookmarked [ added to the Places menu ].
- Citing inconsistency with "Go" menu is not a valid argument , since the Places menu has items which are not present in the Go menu and vice-versa.

[Carl Ponder (carlponder)]

Personally, my bottom panel is full of more important things like the workplace-switcher.
I don't interact with my trash bin very often, but that makes it all the more frustrating that it's not in any obvious place.
The "places" menu is exactly where it belongs, since it's implemented as a special folder.