Comment 7 for bug 325815

Hi Florian,

    Thanks for being patient with me.

    I agree with you that being standards compliant is not a bug in itself, and that standards compliance is generally a good thing. Honestly, I'm not taking issue with the applet not running. The page was written with incorrect code, so according to RFC, its behaviour was justified.

    The issue that I'm having, and the reason why I reported a bug in the first place, is that behaviour that works flawlessly in both internet explorer and firefox (I just tested this again to confirm), using a cross platform language (java) in a cross platform webbrowser (firefox), in windows, works not at all in Ubuntu Linux. I'm not saying that this specific example any one is to blame really. What I am saying is that complicated behaviour (Loading a java applet is complicated, any way you want to look at it) that works fine in one operating system that claims to support the behaviour, does not work at all in another environment that also claims to support the behaviour.

    I cant tell you if its an issue with Firefox, java, or something even unrelated. I am a software person, but I'm pretending to be a dumb user on this. I have familiarity in Windows, and Ubuntu, something that I know works in Windows, doesn't work in Ubuntu... even though operations that I consider to be effectively identical (note the second working applet I linked) does work perfectly in Linux and Windows both.

    I specifically submitted this bug report to the Ubuntu distribution of launchpad because I personally experienced this problem while using Ubuntu. I can't say if other students who were using a linux distribution other than Ubuntu encountered this same problem, though I know there are students who use other Distributions. The fact is that no one from another distribution said anything, thus I assume that the problem exists only in Ubuntu for now. Thats not to say that it does not exist outside Ubuntu, just that I cannot confirm or refute that, so I won't make the assumption.

    Honestly, my basic argument is that from a "dumb" user standpoint, a webpage that works on Windows, does not work on Linux, even though all of the necessary software is installed. Firefox is supported by Ubuntu, and is included by default as the default GDM browser. The java browser plugin is installable via add and remove programs.

    Somewhere in this situation is a bug. Is it a bug in java for windows? maybe. is it a bug in firefox for windows? maybe. Java for Ubuntu? maybe, Firefox for Ubuntu? maybe. I don't know... I don't know enough about the various components to find the actual problem. Thats why I submitted the ticket. I saw a problem, and don't know how to fix it.

Thanks again for working through this with me, I appreciate it a lot.

-Mike