Comment 30 for bug 269656

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Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen (ralf-nieuwenhuijsen) wrote :

There are a lot of powerfull brands that are not installed by default but available in add/remove, for various reasons. Firefox is the _only_ package where 'brand' recognition is even brought to table as an argument in favor of inclusion. I don't get that.

Azureus is more popular (in the Windows ecosystem) than Transmission, but transmission is much better choice for a default install.

Amarok is more popular (has more brand recognition) than Rhythmbox, but rhythmbox is much better choice for a default gnome install.

Firefox is more popular on Windows than icedove (or whatever), but Icedove just became the much better choice.

Instead of hoping the Ubuntu brand becomes more popular because of Firefox, we've reached the point where firefox is hurting the Ubuntu brand. The brand that should be on the table is that of Ubuntu. There are so many separate parts of the experience, from the linux kernel, gnu-toolkit upto the desktop environments. Imagine all those brands getting the same treatment as Firefox?

Mark, please consider the fact that, __this creates a presedence__. We might not like it, it might even hurt Ubuntu, but you've got to draw the line _somewhere_.

Mozilla is interfering with the creation of the ultimate operating system. What's next? Demanding Evolution gets replaced by Thunderbird? Or else we can't legally ship firefox and _call it_ firefox.

Enough is enough.

What people feared that would happen, back when the trademark issue come up, is exactly what is happening. We might not like it, but the mozilla name has got to go. At least until they fire their new CEO .. which appearantly definately needs to happen soon. We, the nerds installing it on every machiene we got our hands on, made them big and we'll bring 'em down.

Perhaps it's time for a fork? And couldn't the Ubuntu foundation use the google and yahoo dollars that they pay to Mozilla? Don't call it abrowser .. how about uBrowser .. and install it _instead of firefox_