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Bug #1 (liberation)
Comment #907

Comment 907 for bug 1

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thegizmoguy (thegizmoguy) wrote on 2008-12-07:

#907

Ok a couple more comments.

You make a reference to server linux setup. This is definitely not a fair comparison as they don't require any sort of UI interface and often don't require proprietary this and that or hard core setups. (Wasn't UNIX a server-based OS in the first place?)

Second, you mention having non-technical users running linux. Yes, that's great, except I don't have the luxury of having a system handed to me that works. I have to do all the configuration myself (which is what is irking me so bad right now). It feels like there is no place to turn to for help with Ubuntu (I mean is it a user problem or a bug...with XP the answer is clear). In fact from my perspective it almost seems like the only people that can actually USE linux in general like I can use XP are the people that have been with it since the beginning and know the config files in and out as well as the syntax.

Cause I think the reason why I'm having so much difficult with bugs and configuration isn't because Ubuntu itself sucks, it's just because no one that's responded to forum requests knows how to use Ubuntu to fix it. The fact that there are a billion distros just makes the problem even worse (despite what everyone thinks about more distros meaning more choice). For example...I just tried the Fedora 10 live CD and couldn't even get it to boot.....do a google....other people have this problem. The fixes suggested work for some....not for others.....Does a dev jump in and say "whoa whoa whoa this is unacceptable to be happening for a "mature" distribution"....nope devs are MIA too busy fiddling with some KDE integration.

For the autologin in XP watch how fast it can be done:

Start-> Run-> control userpasswords2......can figure it out from there.

I'd bet in linux it would be a 50 line config file modification all done via the terminal and gedit. Even when you find where you need to make the modification, there is no "check this to do this"....you'd have to go google some more just to find the syntax. IMO ALL computers should have internet off the bat. For me, this requires a spoofed mac address or broadcom wireless. How the hell am I supposed to even figure out how to get these things if I don't have internet to look them up? At least in Windows there is a Control Panel to get you going on basic to moderate levels of configuration. In ubuntu the control panel consists of diagnostic tools which have 0 power of configuration.

Anyways, the hunt for a good linux distro continues....I'll fumble along with Ubuntu a bit longer, try some OpenSuse, fiddle with Fedora. If I can't get any of them working in a reasonable amount of time then *shudders* I might have to go with a Mac in a couple of years.

Ok a couple more comments.

You make a reference to server linux setup.  This is definitely not a fair comparison as they don't require any sort of UI interface and often don't require proprietary this and that or hard core setups.  (Wasn't UNIX a server-based OS in the first place?)

Second, you mention having non-technical users running linux.  Yes, that's great, except I don't have the luxury of having a system handed to me that works.  I have to do all the configuration myself (which is what is irking me so bad right now).  It feels like there is no place to turn to for help with Ubuntu (I mean is it a user problem or a bug...with XP the answer is clear).  In fact from my perspective it almost seems like the only people that can actually USE linux in general like I can use XP are the people that have been with it since the beginning and know the config files in and out as well as the syntax.

Cause I think the reason why I'm having so much difficult with bugs and configuration isn't because Ubuntu itself sucks, it's just because no one that's responded to forum requests knows how to use Ubuntu to fix it.  The fact that there are a billion distros just makes the problem even worse (despite what everyone thinks about more distros meaning more choice).  For example...I just tried the Fedora 10 live CD and couldn't even get it to boot.....do a google....other people have this problem.  The fixes suggested work for some....not for others.....Does a dev jump in and say "whoa whoa whoa this is unacceptable to be happening for a "mature" distribution"....nope devs are MIA too busy fiddling with some KDE integration.

For the autologin in XP watch how fast it can be done:

Start-> Run-> control userpasswords2......can figure it out from there.

I'd bet in linux it would be a 50 line config file modification all done via the terminal and gedit.  Even when you find where you need to make the modification, there is no "check this to do this"....you'd have to go google some more just to find the syntax.  IMO ALL computers should have internet off the bat.  For me, this requires a spoofed mac address or broadcom wireless.  How the hell am I supposed to even figure out how to get these things if I don't have internet to look them up?  At least in Windows there is a Control Panel to get you going on basic to moderate levels of configuration.  In ubuntu the control panel consists of diagnostic tools which have 0 power of configuration.

Anyways, the hunt for a good linux distro continues....I'll fumble along with Ubuntu a bit longer, try some OpenSuse, fiddle with Fedora.  If I can't get any of them working in a reasonable amount of time then *shudders* I might have to go with a Mac in a couple of years.