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Shaun Husain (shaun-husain) wrote on 2012-07-26: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

#1702

Ah sorry to spam after an already long e-mail but one other group I left
out that I wanted in the list
Gamers, but I believe this will only follow consumer demands like the
hardware vendors, since only when there's an audience will a game
development company put money into it.

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Shaun Husain <email address hidden>wrote:

> I believe the major issue is lack of consumer software available in the
> Linux community. I'm not saying that I don't find tons of open source
> projects and some of high quality, but there's nothing to compete with the
> top of the line proprietary graphics and audio software available on
> Windows and Mac. For a developer Linux makes the most sense, it's
> lightweight and therefore fast and can run Eclipse and other full on IDEs
> and generally there's a compiler available for every language and to target
> many systems (VMs or Processors). So for a dev like myself it makes
> perfect sense, however for someone I work with who strictly does creative
> work, ever having to deal with the command line is probably too much to
> ask. They have lots of work to do and if the software available doesn't
> make their work as fast as it can be on a Windows or Mac OS machine then it
> just can't sell. Believe me I'm all for Linux and FOSS and Ubuntu, but I
> think for it to really happen the open source community needs to step up
> the game with regard to media editing/creation software (ffmpeg is great
> but explain it to a video editor, granted the video editing GUIs for Ubuntu
> I've found are very fast, but just lack advanced features).
>
> As it stands today I think we have the following large groups of computer
> users:
> Developers | Love Linux, works great for them, all the tools you need
> nothing you don't, fast, easy customization.
> System Admins | Love Linux, works great for them, cheap solution good
> performance good security history can run J2EE and other enterprise scale
> application servers/containers.
> General Public (mom & pop) | Are frightened of change, have been fed the
> Windows bread all their professional lives. Linux can work for them and
> well but they need some help to get started (e-mail, web-browsing all
> great, UI is easy enough for these tasks, it's fast did I mention that).
> Media/Content Creators | Tools are not up to par cannot really use Linux
> on a Day to Day basis simply because the tools are not refined or in-depth
> enough to match their Windows/Mac OS counter-parts.
>
> If a corporation like the one I work for was offered the opportunity to
> have all of their employees work without licensing costs for OS upgrades
> and knowing everyone is getting the best bang for their buck out of their
> hardware, and would be supporting just 1 open source OS, I don't think
> anyone would be complaining and this bug would dissolve quickly. I believe
> LibreOffice/OpenOffice are good alternatives to MS Office and the e-mail
> clients are fine, I think another major area that needs to be addressed by
> the open source community is Exchange server. GMail has made some strides
> in providing a replacement but it's not 100% in terms of group contact
> management and other features that Exchange offers for businesses. So I
> say we create the following and get this bug closed.
>
> Replacement for the following:
>
> Final Cut/Premiere
> Pro Tools
> Exchange/Outlook
> Photoshop
> Illustrator
>
> Here's the list I can come up with of possible replacements in Ubuntu, but
> none seem totally up to par:
>
> Video editing
> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/top5-linux-video-editing-system-software/ (I've
> used KDen live not the others here, it was as I said above fast but not
> feature full)
> Audio editing Rezound or Audacity, Rezound seems to be dead with regard to
> development, Audacity is okay but again not great UX/UI interactions and
> not a ton of features.
> In terms of Mail servers I believe they're just missing the calendar side
> of exchange, and contact management/integration in Active Directory, though
> perhaps there's an alternative for that I'm unaware of
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer I've also heard good things
> about Citadel and Zimbra and had a brief stint playing with Zimbra but got
> caught up in other work, some others talking about it here:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1231456
> Photo Editing: GIMP, decent but hard learning curve, kind of slow to start
> up and generally work-flow in PhotoShop seems to be smoother, although this
> coming from someone who has used PhotoShop far more.
> SVG editor: Inkscape, haven't used this one honestly just assuming from
> what I've heard from those who have that it's not as easy to use as
> Illustrator (granted the Adobe suite has been refined by paid engineers for
> some time and is still a resource hog)
>
> I think hardware vendors will support Linux more once consumers demand it,
> and not before.
>
> So yah currently that's my two cents. Please respond and tell me how
> wrong I am and point me towards all the bad ass software I'm missing out on
> :).
>
>
> Thanks for reading if you got through that,
> -Shaun
>
> PS I would love a Lenovo with Ubuntu pre-installed (and no Windows OEM fee
> to boot).
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:32 AM, MDV <email address hidden> wrote:
>
>> In Australia there is a bug in the education system where the only OS
>> they seem to use is Windows XP or 7. At a Tafe open day I asked if their
>> network supported Ubuntu, the guy pauses and says no.
>>
>> This bug is everywhere I look!
>>
>> The Australian DET will not allow any Linux distrobutions to connect to
>> the internet, they allow Macs as well, but not a single Linux!
>>
>> To fix this bug:
>> - There should be at least 1 Linux computer per Computer room. (The Win7
>> Computers are so restrictive it's not funny)
>> - Preferably they should remove this propiatary bias and allow to learn
>> about an OS that will allow them to learn about it.
>> - Even more preferable, remove Microsofts greedy corporate grip off of
>> everyone, and get rid of Windows!
>>
>> --
>> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
>> report.
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
>>
>> Title:
>> Microsoft has a majority market share
>>
>> Status in Club Distro:
>> Confirmed
>> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu:
>> Confirmed
>> Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite:
>> New
>> Status in dylan.NET.Reflection:
>> Invalid
>> Status in dylan.NET:
>> Invalid
>> Status in EasyPeasy Overview:
>> Invalid
>> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians:
>> Invalid
>> Status in JAK LINUX:
>> Invalid
>> Status in LibreOffice:
>> In Progress
>> Status in The Linux Kernel:
>> New
>> Status in The Linux Mint Distribution:
>> In Progress
>> Status in The Linux OS Project:
>> In Progress
>> Status in The Metacity Window Manager:
>> In Progress
>> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite:
>> In Progress
>> Status in Tabuntu:
>> Invalid
>> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming:
>> Invalid
>> Status in Tv-Player:
>> Invalid
>> Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project:
>> In Progress
>> Status in Ubuntu:
>> In Progress
>> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu:
>> In Progress
>> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope:
>> Invalid
>> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty:
>> Invalid
>> Status in Arch Linux:
>> Confirmed
>> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux:
>> Invalid
>> Status in “linux” package in Debian:
>> In Progress
>> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS:
>> Confirmed
>> Status in openSUSE:
>> In Progress
>> Status in Tilix Linux:
>> New
>>
>> Bug description:
>> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
>> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>>
>> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
>> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
>> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full
>> potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>>
>> Steps to repeat:
>>
>> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>>
>> What happens:
>> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
>> pre-installed.
>> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>>
>> What should happen:
>> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software
>> like Ubuntu.
>> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features
>> and benefits would be apparent and known by all.
>> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>>
>> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions
>>
>
>

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Shaun Husain <shaun.husain@gmail.com>wrote:

> I believe the major issue is lack of consumer software available in the
> Linux community.  I'm not saying that I don't find tons of open source
> projects and some of high quality, but there's nothing to compete with the
> top of the line proprietary graphics and audio software available on
> Windows and Mac.  For a developer Linux makes the most sense, it's
> lightweight and therefore fast and can run Eclipse and other full on IDEs
> and generally there's a compiler available for every language and to target
> many systems (VMs or Processors).  So for a dev like myself it makes
> perfect sense, however for someone I work with who strictly does creative
> work, ever having to deal with the command line is probably too much to
> ask.  They have lots of work to do and if the software available doesn't
> make their work as fast as it can be on a Windows or Mac OS machine then it
> just can't sell.  Believe me I'm all for Linux and FOSS and Ubuntu, but I
> think for it to really happen the open source community needs to step up
> the game with regard to media editing/creation software (ffmpeg is great
> but explain it to a video editor, granted the video editing GUIs for Ubuntu
> I've found are very fast, but just lack advanced features).
>
> As it stands today I think we have the following large groups of computer
> users:
> Developers | Love Linux, works great for them, all the tools you need
> nothing you don't, fast, easy customization.
> System Admins | Love Linux, works great for them, cheap solution good
> performance good security history can run J2EE and other enterprise scale
> application servers/containers.
> General Public (mom & pop) | Are frightened of change, have been fed the
> Windows bread all their professional lives.  Linux can work for them and
> well but they need some help to get started (e-mail, web-browsing all
> great, UI is easy enough for these tasks, it's fast did I mention that).
> Media/Content Creators | Tools are not up to par cannot really use Linux
> on a Day to Day basis simply because the tools are not refined or in-depth
> enough to match their Windows/Mac OS counter-parts.
>
> If a corporation like the one I work for was offered the opportunity to
> have all of their employees work without licensing costs for OS upgrades
> and knowing everyone is getting the best bang for their buck out of their
> hardware, and would be supporting just 1 open source OS, I don't think
> anyone would be complaining and this bug would dissolve quickly.  I believe
> LibreOffice/OpenOffice are good alternatives to MS Office and the e-mail
> clients are fine, I think another major area that needs to be addressed by
> the open source community is Exchange server.  GMail has made some strides
> in providing a replacement but it's not 100% in terms of group contact
> management and other features that Exchange offers for businesses.  So I
> say we create the following and get this bug closed.
>
> Replacement for the following:
>
> Final Cut/Premiere
> Pro Tools
> Exchange/Outlook
> Photoshop
> Illustrator
>
> Here's the list I can come up with of possible replacements in Ubuntu, but
> none seem totally up to par:
>
> Video editing
> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/top5-linux-video-editing-system-software/ (I've
> used KDen live not the others here, it was as I said above fast but not
> feature full)
> Audio editing Rezound or Audacity, Rezound seems to be dead with regard to
> development, Audacity is okay but again not great UX/UI interactions and
> not a ton of features.
> In terms of Mail servers I believe they're just missing the calendar side
> of exchange, and contact management/integration in Active Directory, though
> perhaps there's an alternative for that I'm unaware of
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer I've also heard good things
> about Citadel and Zimbra and had a brief stint playing with Zimbra but got
> caught up in other work, some others talking about it here:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1231456
> Photo Editing: GIMP, decent but hard learning curve, kind of slow to start
> up and generally work-flow in PhotoShop seems to be smoother, although this
> coming from someone who has used PhotoShop far more.
> SVG editor: Inkscape, haven't used this one honestly just assuming from
> what I've heard from those who have that it's not as easy to use as
> Illustrator (granted the Adobe suite has been refined by paid engineers for
> some time and is still a resource hog)
>
> I think hardware vendors will support Linux more once consumers demand it,
> and not before.
>
> So yah currently that's my two cents.  Please respond and tell me how
> wrong I am and point me towards all the bad ass software I'm missing out on
> :).
>
>
> Thanks for reading if you got through that,
> -Shaun
>
> PS I would love a Lenovo with Ubuntu pre-installed (and no Windows OEM fee
> to boot).
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:32 AM, MDV <1@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
>
>> In Australia there is a bug in the education system where the only OS
>> they seem to use is Windows XP or 7. At a Tafe open day I asked if their
>> network supported Ubuntu, the guy pauses and says no.
>>
>> This bug is everywhere I look!
>>
>> The Australian DET will not allow any Linux distrobutions to connect to
>> the internet, they allow Macs as well, but not a single Linux!
>>
>> To fix this bug:
>> - There should be at least 1 Linux computer per Computer room. (The Win7
>> Computers are so restrictive it's not funny)
>> - Preferably they should remove this propiatary bias and allow to learn
>> about an OS that will allow them to learn about it.
>> - Even more preferable, remove Microsofts greedy corporate grip off of
>> everyone, and get rid of Windows!
>>
>> --
>> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
>> report.
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
>>
>> Title:
>>   Microsoft has a majority market share
>>
>> Status in Club Distro:
>>   Confirmed
>> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu:
>>   Confirmed
>> Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite:
>>   New
>> Status in dylan.NET.Reflection:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in dylan.NET:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in EasyPeasy Overview:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in JAK LINUX:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in LibreOffice:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in The Linux Kernel:
>>   New
>> Status in The Linux Mint Distribution:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in The Linux OS Project:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in The Metacity Window Manager:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in Tabuntu:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in Tv-Player:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in Ubuntu:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in Arch Linux:
>>   Confirmed
>> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in “linux” package in Debian:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS:
>>   Confirmed
>> Status in openSUSE:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in Tilix Linux:
>>   New
>>
>> Bug description:
>>   Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
>>   This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>>
>>   Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
>>   restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
>>   limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full
>>   potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>>
>>   Steps to repeat:
>>
>>   1. Visit a local PC store.
>>
>>   What happens:
>>   2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
>> pre-installed.
>>   3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>>
>>   What should happen:
>>   1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software
>> like Ubuntu.
>>   2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features
>> and benefits would be apparent and known by all.
>>   3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>>
>> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions
>>
>
>