Comment 31 for bug 154274

FWIW, during Debconf 2006 (in Mexico) we (me and some DD) suggested to Mark Shuttleworth and Matt Zimmerman to put a Debian logo on the Ubuntu CD distributed through shipit. Mark seemed very enthusiastic to do this but he feared some trademark problems and consulted the Debian Project Leader (who was Anthony Towns at that time) and he has been explained that our "Swirl" has a very liberal trademark policy precisely for this kind of use.

Unfortunately they never followed through. It was almost too late for Dapper already at that time and I guess they forgot afterwards.

That would be another way for Ubuntu to acknowledge its Debian roots and to make more member of the Debian community very happy.

I'm sorry that I diverged somewhat from the website, but I wanted to share this story because when discussing with Mark, he's always happy to give credit to Debian's work but when it comes to Canonical's official communication, we feel somewhat left out. So I wholeheartly agree that such a page is needed. And I'm glad to see that most Ubuntu users feel that this is the right thing to do too.

I always expected that the Ubuntu community would end up filling the gaps left open by the Canonical management... and this is one crucial part, if the Ubuntu users are somehow proud that Ubuntu is based on Debian and if they show this (through thei website, through blog posts, through user groups, through developers who are working on both sides, ...), then the Debianers will stop seeing Ubuntu as a gigantic marketing machine that leave them in the shadow. (I know that Ubuntu pushes many innovations and that's it much more than a marketing machine, but its tremendous success and some lack of knowledge on the Debian side make it appear that way in many cases)

Thanks for reading through this long comment and I hope you'll get enough constructive comments to write up that technology page. I'll be happy to proofread it and share more concrete remarks later on.