German translation for minimize & maximize was changed to the worse

[Michael Stucki]

The German translation labels for Minimize and Maximize were changed in Ubuntu 16.04:

old: Minimieren / Maximieren
new: Verkleinern / Vergrößern

In my opinion, this is wrong (vergrößern = expand, not maximize). However, the change is especially bad because it makes minimize and maximize via keyboard shortcuts more difficult: Before, I was able to open the menu with Alt + Space, followed by "m" for minimize and "x" for maximize. Now, the hotkey for "Verkleinern" was changed to "k", and for "Vergrössern" there are now multiple keystrokes necessary because the hotkey "g" is used twice in the same menu.

My suggestion is to change the translation back to "_Minimieren" and "Ma_ximieren".

[Tobias Bannert (toba)]

Can not find ma_ximize, mi_nimize, _Minimieren, Ma_ximieren, Ver_kleinern, Ver_größern in Compiz.
Konnte die obigen Begriffe in Compiz nicht finden.

What is your desktop environment and window manager?
Welche Arbeitsumgebung und welche Fensterverwaltung läuft bei dir?

[Michael Stucki (mstucki)]

Hmm, does Unity have different labels? I'm using a standard Ubuntu 16.04.

[Michael Stucki (mstucki)]

See also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1579263. Can someone please close the duplicate?

[Phillip Sz (phillip-sz)]

I thought it's in gtk, but somehow its not changed there: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/gtk+3.0/+pots/gtk-3.0/de/123/+translate and https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/gtk+3.0/+pots/gtk-3.0/de/124/+translate

[Phillip Sz (phillip-sz)]

Also set to Confirmed as it's a bug, but we just don't know how to fix it.

[Michael Stucki (mstucki)]

What is the next step now that the issue is confirmed? Shouldn't be too difficult to fix.
Who can fix this, or how can I help?

[Phillip Sz (phillip-sz)]

Well we must find the strings. If you know in which package they are, that would be perfect.

[Tobias Bannert (toba)]

In Xfce ist das Problem mit den zwei Gs auch auch. Dort habe ich es in xfwm4 gefunden und es in »Größe _ändern« geändert. Habe das neulich hier in Ubuntu auch irgendwo verbessert.

Ansonsten müsste Michael Stucki mal auf seinem Rechner danach suchen.

Wenn es verbessert wurde, wird es wohl erst in einigen Jahren in Ubuntu erscheinen.

[Michael Stucki (mstucki)]

Meanwhile someone has fixed the problem that the "g" hotkey was used twice.

However, the original problem does still exist: Labels for Minimize / Maximize were changed without anyone asking for it. Can someone please revert it or explain why it was changed?

[Michael Stucki (mstucki)]

@Tobias Bannert: Ich vermute, das Label kommt aus /usr/share/locale-langpack/de/LC_MESSAGES/gtk30.mo bzw. gtk20.mo. Ist in beiden so eingetragen.
Hilft mir aber nicht wirklich weiter. Ich weiss nicht, wo diese Änderungen diskutiert und entschieden werden, und ich kann es auch selber nicht ändern.