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Allen Graham (allenggraham) wrote on 2010-01-23: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

#1082

It is very good to hear from an "average" user. His complaints are standard
fare, ones that we have heard repeatedly, and perhaps a few that need to be
addressed.
First: to Bob. Linux is free, no need to buy anything, therefore no funds
generated fpr marketing support. Microsoft is one of the world's best
marketing companies, and generates huge profits.
Next: the question Bob failed to ask, why do people use Linux ?
Because it's free ? No, Bob, you can buy some versions of Linux, but you are
really buying support.
"Default Ubuntu" !! very catchy, but to implement Ubuntu to use as Bob
wanted, requires some reading.
OK Bob, last year one of my computers overheated, dirty fan, poor cooling
etc, so I had another one built. (and yes I have no problem building my own)
At the computer shop, here in Mazatlan Mexico, they asked me if I wanted
Windows installed, and they would do it for "free". Very amusing.
I returned the system to my home office (soho) and turned it on, took a CD
with Ubuntu 8.04, and was up and running , on the 'net in 12 minutes, then
downloading additional programs.
At one time I ran 2 computer shops, and the best we ever did was 30 minutes.
With me so far ?
Next major addition was "Open Office", which is far superior to MS Office,
and faster.
Now, Bob, I will deal with the real problem that irks me. Choices !!!
Far too many.
There are no music programs available that I can not play !
All of the movie formats are playable.
At any time I can run 2, or 3 browsers,it's a fun thing!
But, some reading is required. Whereas if you fail to read the "fine print"
in MS Windows, look out !
With MS Windows you are guaranteed to get viruses. If you use the Internet a
lot, or leave your machine "on" all of the time it will become a "BOT", Such
fun.
Personally, I have stopped fixing friends machines that use MS Windows. One
had 27 viruses, they said it was a "little slow" But I have installed Ubuntu
on countless machines, so I don't have to go and fix the (expletive)
viruses.
So, here's the truth Bob:
Ubuntu is superior to MS Windows. There are some programs , like Adobe
Photoshop, that are not available "for free".
But, as one instructor, a professional web designer pointed out, GIMP is far
superior and very complicated, which is why Ubuntu includes "F-Spot" .
To quote Bob: "until then im afraid i have to keep using windows as my
primary os,"
My guess is that Bob probably uses IE8 as well. see :
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1385256
Yes, Bob, you can take courses in some community colleges that will help you
with Ubuntu or any version of Linux.

There is another concern that Bob did not address, one that I have heard far
too often. "you Linux geeks think that you're smarter than the rest of us"
OK. By not getting viruses, have a huge number of programs available and
using a secure system makes me a "geek', so be it.
AllenGG

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Bob! <email address hidden> wrote:

> can i just say that windows has majority market share for a reason. imho
> ubuntu isnt nearly as good in a number of areas the concern the average
> user. for a start it isnt even possible to listen to mp3's or watch
> movies in default ubuntu. windows is popular because well 1 as it is
> already popular people just goto it and its in computer stores as
> default etc but 2. because anything u can do on any other operating
> system u can do on windows... play games, what have you. afaik no other
> OS can really make that claim. from my experiances with linux / windows
> i would personally say it works better " out of the box" aswell, which
> the average user (and me) like. i installed vista on my mothers computer
> and it didnt even need video drivers to run aero get hardware
> acceleration or play most simpler 3d games, the audio was nice and came
> with an equalizer etc by default. linux on the other hand has outdated,
> imo poorly supported device drivers, i had problems with jacksense and i
> couldnt even find a basic equalizer or what have you. imo linux will
> start earning more market share when it can compete on the same grounds
> as windows, and do more than what windows can do - preferably better.
> until then im afraid i have to keep using windows as my primary os,
> linux seems alright but it doesnt do everything i want it to - let alone
> easily.
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Invalid
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: In Progress
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Confirmed
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: In Progress
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: Confirmed
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: New
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
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http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan#

It is very good to hear from an "average" user. His complaints are standard
fare, ones that we have heard repeatedly, and perhaps a few that need to be
addressed.
First: to Bob. Linux is free, no need to buy anything, therefore no funds
generated fpr marketing support. Microsoft is one of the world's best
marketing companies, and generates huge profits.
Next: the question Bob failed to ask, why do people use Linux ?
Because it's free ? No, Bob, you can buy some versions of Linux, but you are
really buying support.
"Default Ubuntu" !! very catchy, but to implement Ubuntu to use as Bob
wanted, requires some reading.
OK Bob, last year one of my computers overheated, dirty fan, poor cooling
etc, so I had another one built. (and yes I have no problem building my own)
At the computer shop, here in Mazatlan Mexico, they asked me if I wanted
Windows installed, and they would do it for "free".  Very amusing.
I returned the system to my home office (soho) and turned it on, took a CD
with Ubuntu 8.04, and was up and running , on the 'net in 12 minutes, then
downloading additional programs.
At one time I ran 2 computer shops, and the best we ever did was 30 minutes.
With me so far ?
Next major addition was "Open Office", which is far superior to MS Office,
and faster.
Now, Bob, I will deal with the real problem that irks me.    Choices !!!
Far too many.
There are no music programs  available that I can not play !
All of the movie formats are playable.
At any time I can run 2, or 3 browsers,it's a fun thing!
But, some reading is required. Whereas if you fail to read the "fine print"
in MS Windows, look out !
With MS Windows you are guaranteed to get viruses. If you use the Internet a
lot, or leave your machine "on" all of the time it will become a "BOT", Such
fun.
Personally, I have stopped fixing friends machines that use MS Windows. One
had 27 viruses, they said it was a "little slow" But I have installed Ubuntu
on countless machines, so I don't have to go and fix the (expletive)
viruses.
So, here's the truth Bob:
Ubuntu is superior to MS Windows. There are some programs , like Adobe
Photoshop, that are not available "for free".
But, as one instructor, a professional web designer pointed out, GIMP is far
superior and very complicated, which is why Ubuntu includes "F-Spot" .
To quote Bob: "until then im afraid i have to keep using windows as my
primary os,"
My guess is that Bob probably uses IE8 as well.  see :
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1385256
Yes, Bob, you can take courses in some community colleges that will help you
with Ubuntu or any version of Linux.

There is another concern that Bob did not address, one that I have heard far
too often.  "you Linux geeks think that you're smarter than the rest of us"
OK. By not getting viruses, have a huge number of programs available and
using a secure system makes me a "geek', so be it.
AllenGG

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Bob! <lerro_m@hotmail.com> wrote:

http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan#