Activity log for bug #784585

Date Who What changed Old value New value Message
2011-05-18 13:12:41 Данило Шеган bug added bug
2011-05-18 13:23:24 Paul Sladen ubuntu-font-family: importance Undecided Medium
2011-05-18 13:23:24 Paul Sladen ubuntu-font-family: status New Triaged
2011-05-18 13:23:45 Paul Sladen attachment added ubuntu-and-mono-cyrillic-tshe-dje.pdf https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/784585/+attachment/2133654/+files/ubuntu-and-mono-cyrillic-tshe-dje.pdf
2011-05-26 11:39:23 Данило Шеган attachment added More natural ђ for Serbian (note the position of the cross-bar) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/784585/+attachment/2143447/+files/better-dje-and-old-dje.png
2011-06-03 08:30:18 Paul Sladen bug added subscriber Miloš Hadžić
2011-06-03 08:31:01 Paul Sladen tags uff-cyrillic uff-serbian
2011-06-15 14:30:49 Paul Sladen attachment added IMG_20110615_142217.jpg https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/784585/+attachment/2169869/+files/IMG_20110615_142217.jpg
2011-06-15 15:04:57 Paul Sladen attachment added IMG_20110615_142201.jpg https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/784585/+attachment/2169952/+files/IMG_20110615_142201.jpg
2011-11-24 14:28:40 Paul Sladen ubuntu-font-family: milestone 0.82
2011-11-24 14:41:48 Paul Sladen summary Mono: Style: Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т
2011-11-24 14:44:09 Paul Sladen description Serbian Cyrillic letters Ђ and Ћ, and especially lowercase variants ђ and ћ, seem to be based on Latin lowercase h, which is wrong. ћ in particular represents a soft Cyrillic t (т), and thus the horizontal crossbar should be roughly at the x-height. ђ is a harder version of that (it's a soft version of д, which is the non-sounding pair of т; however, the glyph itself was always derived from ћ). For the uppercase versions, it'd probably be nicer if the bowl was a bit wider (even at the expense of left-side top cross-bar), but that might just be my personal preference. Serbian Cyrillic letters Ђ and Ћ, and especially lowercase variants ђ and ћ, seem to be based on Latin lowercase h, which is wrong. ћ in particular represents a soft Cyrillic t (т), and thus the horizontal crossbar should be roughly at the x-height. ђ is a harder version of that (it's a soft version of д, which is the non-sounding pair of т; however, the glyph itself was always derived from ћ). For the uppercase versions, it'd probably be nicer if the bowl was a bit wider (even at the expense of left-side top cross-bar), but that might just be my personal preference. Possible solution in PNG in comment #5.
2011-11-24 21:38:27 Paul Sladen description Serbian Cyrillic letters Ђ and Ћ, and especially lowercase variants ђ and ћ, seem to be based on Latin lowercase h, which is wrong. ћ in particular represents a soft Cyrillic t (т), and thus the horizontal crossbar should be roughly at the x-height. ђ is a harder version of that (it's a soft version of д, which is the non-sounding pair of т; however, the glyph itself was always derived from ћ). For the uppercase versions, it'd probably be nicer if the bowl was a bit wider (even at the expense of left-side top cross-bar), but that might just be my personal preference. Possible solution in PNG in comment #5. Serbian Cyrillic letters Ђ and Ћ, and especially lowercase variants ђ and ћ, seem to be based on Latin lowercase h, which is wrong. ћ in particular represents a soft Cyrillic t (т), and thus the horizontal crossbar should be roughly at the x-height. ђ is a harder version of that (it's a soft version of д, which is the non-sounding pair of т; however, the glyph itself was always derived from ћ). For the uppercase versions, it'd probably be nicer if the bowl was a bit wider (even at the expense of left-side top cross-bar), but that might just be my personal preference. Possible solution in PNG in comment #5. Proposed solution: 1. Take the plain Cyrillic Т and work from that 2. Ђ: Add a hook descending below the baseline 3. Ћ: Cut the hook at the baseline 4. Take the plain Cyrillic т and work from that 5. ђ: Add a hook descending below the baseline, and an upwards extension like Latin 't' 6. ћ: Cut the hook at the baseline 7. Sanity check past Danilo 8. Post to Canonical Design blog
2011-11-24 21:38:29 Paul Sladen ubuntu-font-family: milestone 0.82 0.9x-design
2011-11-24 21:39:13 Paul Sladen description Serbian Cyrillic letters Ђ and Ћ, and especially lowercase variants ђ and ћ, seem to be based on Latin lowercase h, which is wrong. ћ in particular represents a soft Cyrillic t (т), and thus the horizontal crossbar should be roughly at the x-height. ђ is a harder version of that (it's a soft version of д, which is the non-sounding pair of т; however, the glyph itself was always derived from ћ). For the uppercase versions, it'd probably be nicer if the bowl was a bit wider (even at the expense of left-side top cross-bar), but that might just be my personal preference. Possible solution in PNG in comment #5. Proposed solution: 1. Take the plain Cyrillic Т and work from that 2. Ђ: Add a hook descending below the baseline 3. Ћ: Cut the hook at the baseline 4. Take the plain Cyrillic т and work from that 5. ђ: Add a hook descending below the baseline, and an upwards extension like Latin 't' 6. ћ: Cut the hook at the baseline 7. Sanity check past Danilo 8. Post to Canonical Design blog Serbian Cyrillic letters Ђ and Ћ, and especially lowercase variants ђ and ћ, seem to be based on Latin lowercase h, which is wrong. ћ in particular represents a soft Cyrillic t (т), and thus the horizontal crossbar should be roughly at the x-height. ђ is a harder version of that (it's a soft version of д, which is the non-sounding pair of т; however, the glyph itself was always derived from ћ). For the uppercase versions, it'd probably be nicer if the bowl was a bit wider (even at the expense of left-side top cross-bar), but that might just be my personal preference. Possible solution in Proposed solution:   1. Take the plain Cyrillic Т and work from that   2. Ђ: Add a hook descending below the baseline   3. Ћ: Cut the hook at the baseline   4. Take the plain Cyrillic т and work from that   5. ђ: Add a hook descending below the baseline, and an upwards extension like Latin 't'   6. ћ: Cut the hook at the baseline   7. Sanity check past Danilo (and PNG in comment #5 if confused)   8. Post to Canonical Design blog
2011-11-24 21:39:21 Paul Sladen ubuntu-font-family: assignee Shiraaz Gabru (shiraaz)
2011-11-24 21:40:16 Paul Sladen tags uff-cyrillic uff-serbian needs-blog proposed-solution uff-cyrillic uff-serbian
2011-11-29 13:48:45 Paul Sladen attachment added Ubuntu_DesignModif_2011-11-28_addProp.pdf https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/784585/+attachment/2612468/+files/Ubuntu_DesignModif_2011-11-28_addProp.pdf
2011-12-08 16:25:14 Shiraaz Gabru ubuntu-font-family: status Triaged In Progress
2011-12-12 21:02:15 Shiraaz Gabru ubuntu-font-family: status In Progress Fix Committed