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Allen Graham (allenggraham) wrote on 2008-07-11: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

#727

Wow !!!! rarely have I read comments as out of touch as those made by Simon
Lugi.
He is to be forgiven, as a recent convert to Linux / Ubuntu he can not be
expected to know the history. First "Linux" is not a company, and Ubuntu is
a product developed by many hands, mostly as "free" input.
Marketing is Microsofts' specialty, NOT programming. MS spends perhaps
$1billion USD annually to promote products. The company Canonical, spends
something, (see: Support Services |
Canonical<http://www.canonical.com/services/support>) on marketing,
and please keep in mind that Canonical/Ubuntu is only ONE of
the Linux companies, See : Red Hat, SuSe, Mandriva, OR: DistroWatch.com: Put
the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. <http://distrowatch.com/>
But Simon is, importantly, a convert !
Perhaps he would describe me as a "GEEK" (I'm not) 50 years dealing with
computers (yes fifty). Extensive background relating to various systems.
usually have 5 working systems on hand. using Linux for 7-8 years.
To Simon: I have set up Ubuntu systems for people, that work very well, and
tell them "use, but don't touch". Think Cyber-cafe.
Linux was designed for* anyone*. Microsoft Windows was designed to create
profit. The Linx community is NOT competing with Microsoft nor Apple.
*Monetary
profit is NOT the goal.*
Serious player ??? An issue to be addressed.
But the truth ?? If you will accept it, Microsoft Corp., is on a
self-destruct path.
Some proof starts here :GROKLAW <http://www.groklaw.net/index.php>
Simon, Ubuntu is "FREE", but it comes with a price tag, namely do your own
thinking, choose your own path. How many decisions did you have to make
using UBUNTU ? In truth there are too many !. Look at "Synaptic Package
manager".
Welcome to Ubuntu, a free system that will heavily tax you.
perhaps "Ira Levin"author of: "This Perfect Day" saw this coming.
regards, Allen (allengg on the forums)

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Simon Lugi <email address hidden> wrote:

> I stumbled upon this forum a few days ago and have been reading through
> this discussion with great interest and decided to add my 5c worth.
> I would describe my self as a non computer geek who has started using
> Ubuntu recently (4 months ago) partially out of curiosity and partially
> because I felt ripped off by Microsoft. I thoroughly enjoy using Ubuntu and
> really hope one day Ubuntu or any other OS will seriously challenge Windows
> dominance. However the reality is all Linux OS are still very far from
> becoming serious contenders.
>
> Just because a product works, is stable and has a number of features that
> its competition does not have, does not mean it will be successful. It takes
> a lot more. Some earlier writers have pointed to the success of Firefox,
> however there is a huge difference between a web browser and an OS.
> Purely based on personal observations and what I pick up from literature it
> really looks like Linux OS's are designed for computer geeks and people like
> me who like to fiddle. That is the market segment that Linux caters for,
> which at best will probably never exceed 10% of the global market. There are
> dozens of other market segments each with their own needs. Some of the
> biggest market segments are gaming and multimedia which can be further
> broken down into video and audio.
>
> What Microsoft has managed to do over the years is to make Windows so
> prevalent in the market, that the majority of users these day probably
> cannot even distinguish between the OS and the applications they use (my
> teenage sons certainly couldn't until I introduced them to Ubuntu). Even
> the people that I have spoken to in the IT industry could not be
> bothered learning about other OS, because there is no reason.
>
> The point I am trying to make is if Ubuntu's intention is to become a
> serious market player the development really has to be planned and
> managed as a business with some very significant financial investment.
> The plan needs to start with some clear goals and objectives. Then there
> needs to be marketing plans. Someone as successful as Mark Shuttleworth
> will no doubt be familiar with the 4P's of the marketing mix. At this
> stage Ubuntu only has one P in place and that is Price. (its free). The
> other 3P's, Product, Place and People are not ready for the global
> market.
>
> I am sure you all get the picture.
> Who's game to start on this new venture ??
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed
> Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Confirmed
> Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid
> Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed
> Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in "bum" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "casper" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "djplay" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "firefox" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "ubuntu-express" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid
> Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed
> Status in "linux" source package in Debian: Confirmed
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>

--
http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan

Wow !!!! rarely have I read comments as out of touch as those made by Simon
Lugi.
He is to be forgiven, as a recent convert to Linux / Ubuntu he can not be
expected to know the history. First "Linux" is not a company, and Ubuntu is
a product developed by many hands, mostly as "free" input.
Marketing is Microsofts' specialty, NOT programming. MS spends perhaps
$1billion USD annually to promote products. The company Canonical, spends
something, (see: Support Services |
Canonical<http://www.canonical.com/services/support>) on marketing,
and please keep in mind that Canonical/Ubuntu is only ONE of
the Linux companies, See : Red Hat, SuSe, Mandriva, OR: DistroWatch.com: Put
the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. <http://distrowatch.com/>
But Simon is, importantly, a convert !
Perhaps he would describe me as a "GEEK" (I'm not) 50 years dealing with
computers (yes fifty). Extensive background relating to various systems.
usually have 5 working systems on hand. using Linux for 7-8 years.
To Simon: I have set up Ubuntu systems for people, that work very well, and
tell them "use, but don't touch". Think Cyber-cafe.
Linux was designed for* anyone*. Microsoft Windows was designed to create
profit. The Linx community is NOT competing with Microsoft nor Apple.
 *Monetary
profit is NOT the goal.*
Serious player ??? An issue to be addressed.
But the truth ?? If you will accept it, Microsoft Corp., is on a
self-destruct path.
Some proof starts here :GROKLAW <http://www.groklaw.net/index.php>
Simon, Ubuntu is "FREE", but it comes with a price tag, namely do your own
thinking, choose your own path. How many decisions did you have to make
using UBUNTU ? In truth there are too many !. Look at "Synaptic Package
manager".
Welcome to Ubuntu, a free system that will heavily tax you.
perhaps "Ira Levin"author of: "This Perfect Day" saw this coming.
regards,  Allen   (allengg on the forums)

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Simon Lugi <simon.lugi@gmail.com> wrote:

> I stumbled upon this forum a few days ago and have been reading through
> this discussion with great interest and decided to add my 5c worth.
> I would describe my self as a non computer geek who has started using
> Ubuntu recently (4 months ago) partially out of curiosity and partially
> because I felt ripped off by Microsoft. I thoroughly enjoy using Ubuntu and
> really hope one day Ubuntu or any other OS will seriously challenge Windows
> dominance. However the reality is all Linux OS are still very far from
>  becoming serious contenders.
>
> Just because a product works, is stable and has a number of features that
> its competition does not have, does not mean it will be successful. It takes
> a lot more. Some earlier writers have pointed to the success of Firefox,
> however there is a huge difference between a web browser and an OS.
> Purely based on personal observations and what I pick up from literature it
> really looks like Linux OS's are designed for computer geeks and people like
> me who like to fiddle. That is the market segment that Linux caters for,
> which at best will probably never exceed 10% of the global market. There are
> dozens of other market segments each with their own needs. Some of the
> biggest market segments are gaming and multimedia which can be further
> broken down into video and audio.
>
> What Microsoft has managed to do over the years is to make Windows so
> prevalent in the market, that the majority of users these day probably
> cannot even distinguish between the OS and the applications they use (my
> teenage sons certainly couldn't until I introduced them to Ubuntu). Even
> the people that I have spoken to in the IT industry could not be
> bothered learning about other OS, because there is no reason.
>
> The point I am trying to make is if Ubuntu's intention is to become a
> serious market player the development really has to be planned and
> managed as a business with some very significant financial investment.
> The plan needs to start with some clear goals and objectives. Then there
> needs to be marketing plans. Someone as successful as Mark Shuttleworth
> will no doubt be familiar with the 4P's of the marketing mix. At this
> stage Ubuntu only has one P in place and that is Price. (its free). The
> other 3P's,  Product, Place and People are not ready for the global
> market.
>
> I am sure you all get the picture.
> Who's game to start on  this new venture ??
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed
> Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Confirmed
> Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid
> Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed
> Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in "bum" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "casper" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "djplay" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "firefox" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "ubuntu-express" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid
> Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed
> Status in "linux" source package in Debian: Confirmed
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>

-- 
http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan