On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Guillaume Desmottes <email address hidden> wrote:
> Le mercredi 30 novembre 2011 à 15:55 +0000, Felipe Contreras a écrit :
>> * telepathy-haze
>>
>> This works fine.
>
> Stop claiming that switching to Haze is the solution of all the world's
> problems. Haze can be an option for protocols not having a proper CM but
> it would be completely stupid to switch to it for XMPP: no call, no file
> transfer, no muc, no desktop sharing...
Being able to log in is more important than anything else.
>> * telepathy-butterfly
>>
>> It uses papyon, which looks like it's going to be discontinued. It has
>> basic proxy support, but it's not done through GIO, as it probably
>> should be.
>
> I agree that Haze could be used. Actually we're going to switch to Haze
> for MSN accounts in 3.4 as butterfly (and the other Python CMs) are not
> properly maintained and lake all the recent Telepathy APIs.
Makes sense.
>> * telepathy-gabble
>>
>> Seems to have proxy support through GIO, but there are issues.
>
> Which issues exactly? Are there in Gabble? in GIO?
All the issues related to libproxy for starters, like not being able
to get a popper configuration with GNOME 2, and thus all the DE's that
already rely on those GConf settings, like Xfce. And all the issues
related to GNOME 3 configuration, like the fact that all
authentication is missing.
Plus, in my machine, even with GNOME 3's control center it's confusing
what should be the settings, and even when I put exactly the right
settings, it takes a long long time to log in.
>> * telepathy-idle
>>
>> No proxy support on the horizon.
>
> Idle has switched to GIO (fdo #37145) so SHOULD be at the same state as
> Gabble.
Yes, many things should be in certain way *in theory*, but then why is
fdo #12376 still open? Because nobody has actually tried *in
practice*.
Here, let me try... Nope... doesn't work. What a surprise.
>> * telepathy-rakia
>>
>> No proxy support on the horizon. Or bug report about it.
>
> Please feel free to open one.
Why would I do that? As I stated multiple times, this is not *needed*
to solve the issue at hand.
You can disagree all you want with me, but the fact of the matter is
that after more than 3 years this bug has existed, the issue remains
there, and users are *completely* prevented to use Empathy.
This is the problem going the GNOME way of trying to have everything
perfectly. When is that going to happen? 2020?
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Guillaume Desmottes <email address hidden> wrote:
> Le mercredi 30 novembre 2011 à 15:55 +0000, Felipe Contreras a écrit :
>> * telepathy-haze
>>
>> This works fine.
>
> Stop claiming that switching to Haze is the solution of all the world's
> problems. Haze can be an option for protocols not having a proper CM but
> it would be completely stupid to switch to it for XMPP: no call, no file
> transfer, no muc, no desktop sharing...
Being able to log in is more important than anything else.
>> * telepathy-butterfly
>>
>> It uses papyon, which looks like it's going to be discontinued. It has
>> basic proxy support, but it's not done through GIO, as it probably
>> should be.
>
> I agree that Haze could be used. Actually we're going to switch to Haze
> for MSN accounts in 3.4 as butterfly (and the other Python CMs) are not
> properly maintained and lake all the recent Telepathy APIs.
Makes sense.
>> * telepathy-gabble
>>
>> Seems to have proxy support through GIO, but there are issues.
>
> Which issues exactly? Are there in Gabble? in GIO?
All the issues related to libproxy for starters, like not being able
to get a popper configuration with GNOME 2, and thus all the DE's that
already rely on those GConf settings, like Xfce. And all the issues
related to GNOME 3 configuration, like the fact that all
authentication is missing.
Plus, in my machine, even with GNOME 3's control center it's confusing
what should be the settings, and even when I put exactly the right
settings, it takes a long long time to log in.
>> * telepathy-idle
>>
>> No proxy support on the horizon.
>
> Idle has switched to GIO (fdo #37145) so SHOULD be at the same state as
> Gabble.
Yes, many things should be in certain way *in theory*, but then why is
fdo #12376 still open? Because nobody has actually tried *in
practice*.
Here, let me try... Nope... doesn't work. What a surprise.
>> * telepathy-rakia
>>
>> No proxy support on the horizon. Or bug report about it.
>
> Please feel free to open one.
Why would I do that? As I stated multiple times, this is not *needed*
to solve the issue at hand.
You can disagree all you want with me, but the fact of the matter is
that after more than 3 years this bug has existed, the issue remains
there, and users are *completely* prevented to use Empathy.
This is the problem going the GNOME way of trying to have everything
perfectly. When is that going to happen? 2020?
--
Felipe Contreras