Update seeds etc. for Minimal Install in Lubuntu

Bug #1769473 reported by cruzer001 on 2018-05-06
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Lubuntu Config Center
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Lubuntu Next
Won't Fix
Undecided
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lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
Medium
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Bug Description

The Minimal Install contains the same packages as the full (standard) install on the live 18.04 installer. This also revealed some additional steps we should take to be sure everything is properly implemented:

- [ ] rename Lubuntu's "minimal install" (note lowercase) instructions to "core"
- [ ] fix whatever problem exists in the seeds to be sure the Minimal Install instructions actually work
- [ ] update the seed so that it's complete and consistent with the Desktop Team
  - [ ] discuss whether or not we should remove system tools (usb-creator-gtk, hardinfo) and revise as needed
  - [ ] pick one package manager and stick with it and don't remove it from the Minimal Install
  - [ ] remove additional packages (audacious, galculator, gnome-mpv, leafpad, simple-scan)
  - [ ] remove langpacks
  - [ ] remove reverse dependencies
- [ ] write a manual test case to ensure everything is working properly

…unless we wish to forego this altogether, in which case we should remove the remove file from our seed. Xubuntu never added it and they don't have the minimal install option. They have, like us, also offered a "core" option.

…or unless we wanted the Minimal Install to actually provide core (thanks for the idea Nio).

sudodus (nio-wiklund) wrote :

@cruzer001,

I suggest that you add more details to the bug decription, as how you tried to install the minimal installation (and that this bug is independent of the package lubuntu-core).

For me this bug is also affecting standard Lubuntu in 18.04 LTS (not only Lubuntu Next).

Simon Quigley (tsimonq2) wrote :

I am unable to reproduce this bug.

Please give more details.

Changed in lcc:
status: New → Invalid
Changed in lubuntu-next:
status: New → Incomplete
cruzer001 (cruzer001) wrote :

I downloaded the lubuntu live iso installer today and installed to virtualbox. I checked the box to install a minimal system and completed the install. I also did a complete (full) install with the same iso, checking the appropriate box. Both installs have the same packages and package count(1374 installed packages).

If you think I need to reinstall to verify, I can do that.

cruzer001 (cruzer001) wrote :

I downloaded the 64bit iso from

https://lubuntu.net/downloads/

Simon Quigley (tsimonq2) wrote :

Lubuntu.me is the official website. Please download from there and verify the checksums, then reinstall and try again.

cruzer001 (cruzer001) wrote :

Wow, I never would I have suspected that. Both sites look official.

I will download and post back, but I suspect the problem is now solved.

I wonder how many others will (have) make the same mistake.

Thanks

Walter Lapchynski (wxl) wrote :

Are you saying that you downloaded the mini.iso?

cruzer001 (cruzer001) wrote :

No, I downloaded the live (not the alternate or mini) iso from lubuntu.net on my original install.

In a few minutes I will have a minimal install loaded from lubuntu.me.

cruzer001 (cruzer001) wrote :

I have downloaded lubuntu 18.04; 64bit from lubuntu.me and checked the minimal install box during the install process. And again I have ended up with full desktop install.

List of installed packages
http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BTfvXNmbdB/

What am I doing wrong?

Walter Lapchynski (wxl) wrote :

Ok, I can confirm this. As of 18.04, there's a new "minimal install" option which is really something that Ubuntu desktop was marketing. I'm not sure it really works all that well for flavours. We have had a minimal install option that we have supported for a long time, though:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall

Changed in lubuntu-next:
status: Incomplete → Won't Fix
cruzer001 (cruzer001) wrote :

Thanks for the explanation Walter

Walter Lapchynski (wxl) wrote :

Actually looking at this a bit farther, it looks like there is a remove feature to the seeds that should have allowed for a minimal install for us. It's just not working.

For us, we've always had a "minimal" install, i.e. the lubuntu-core task, so we'll need to rename that. Minimal as the Desktop Team envisioned it is essentially the normal desktop and system tools, plus a browser. lubuntu-core doesn't even include things that we consider to be a normal part of LXDE (e.g. lxtask). So those need to be separate.

Additionally, we need some corrections to the seed to keep consistent with the vision of the Desktop Team. There's some additional apps we should remove, as well as language packs and reverse dependencies. I'm kind of against removing system tools. We'll have to think about that. Package management is a thing since we have both synaptic and gnome-software. That's probably an oversight we should fix.

Finally, we need to be sure that we are testing these things so that it doesn't happen again.

summary: - Lubuntu 18.04 Minimal Install
+ update seeds etc. for Minimal Install in Lubuntu
Walter Lapchynski (wxl) on 2018-05-07
description: updated
Simon Quigley (tsimonq2) on 2018-05-07
summary: - update seeds etc. for Minimal Install in Lubuntu
+ Update seeds etc. for Minimal Install in Lubuntu
Walter Lapchynski (wxl) on 2018-05-07
description: updated
sudodus (nio-wiklund) wrote :

This can be a convenient option, easy for beginners to find.

One option would be to make it 'create lubuntu-core' (if that is possible).

Walter Lapchynski (wxl) on 2018-05-07
description: updated
Ubuntu QA Website (ubuntuqa) wrote :

This bug has been reported on the Ubuntu ISO testing tracker.

A list of all reports related to this bug can be found here:
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1769473

tags: added: iso-testing
Walter Lapchynski (wxl) on 2018-05-17
no longer affects: ubuntu-seeds
Changed in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu):
status: New → Triaged
importance: Undecided → Medium
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