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haydoni (andyhayden1) wrote on 2010-05-16: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

#1203

I'm glad you think that "it's more sutable [sic.] for developers than
Windows is." In the software world we need both developers and users, great
you think we have one down.

You'll entirely wrong in suggesting Ubuntu (linux for human beings) isn't
aimed at consumers. Among your other 'misunderstandings', I found "Commercial
operating system (closed-source)" whereas "Non-commercial operating system
(open-source :)" of particular amusement. Either you are trolling or you're
horrifically misinformed (I suspect the former, or perhaps both).

At any rate, as I think has been mentioned to you before, this discussion
would best be continued at www.ubuntuforums.org

On 16 May 2010 20:08, IDWMaster <email address hidden> wrote:

> I am in no means saying it is EXCLUSIVELY for developers, I'm just saying
> that it's more sutable for developers than Windows is.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "mzc" <email address hidden>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 1:56 PM
> To: <email address hidden>
> Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
>
> > It never mentioned in the ubuntu.com site that ubuntu os is just for
> > developers.....
> >
> > On May 16, 2010 11:51 AM, "IDWMaster" <email address hidden>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Windows and Ubuntu are made for separate purposes, but is there really
> any
> > competition between the two? They are both operating systems, but they
> are
> > both meant for different purposes. It is also important to keep in mind
> > that
> > Linux is not Windows (mentioned in a previous post on here somewhere).
> Due
> > to problems like the one mentioned above; it may not be suitable for the
> > individual or business to transition to Ubuntu, or it may not be suitable
> > for the business or individual to use Windows. In these cases; it is
> often
> > quite suitable to use both. That way; the person or organization will
> have
> > access to the benefits of both products. For example; some people have a
> > Nintendo Wii, a Playstation, an XBOX, and a Sega. These are all made by
> > competing companies, but are marketed to different audiences.
> > Therefore; Windows DOES have a majority market share in the consumer
> > market,
> > BUT Ubuntu has the majority market share in the Developer community.
> >
> > I've even seen a few Microsoft forums which have had Ubuntu support on
> > them, and Microsoft didn't take them down. So the question is; does
> > Microsoft really see Ubuntu as competition, or do they view it as a
> > platform for different purposes?
> >
> > Windows:
> > Commercial operating system (closed-source)
> > Targeted at consumer (and partnered with many major hardware
> > manufacturers)
> > Developers do not have access to kernel, and cannot make modifications to
> > the operating system. It lacks a packaging system; which makes it
> > difficult
> > (both legally difficult and programmatically) to develop software which
> > depends on other operating system components (such as .NET framework)
> > Pre-installed on many consumer PCs
> > Very insecure (prone to viruses, drive-by downloads, and also extremely
> > slow!)
> > Customers are forced by social pressure to upgrade to the latest version;
> > costing them lots of time and money
> >
> > Ubuntu:
> > Non-commercial operating system (open-source :)
> > Targeted at developer
> > Developers have full access to kernel, and can easily build kernel
> > modules,
> > applications, and rely on dependencies without worrying about binary
> > compatibility or legal issues when using the packaging system to specify
> > dependencies. The packaging system is very useful to prevent conflicting
> > programs from being installed at the same time, provides an easy update
> > mechanism (unlike Windows; which requires every program to have its own
> > updating mechanism), and it is easy for developers to test and deploy
> > their
> > software to the community
> > Not usually pre-installed on consumer PCs, but easily available from many
> > sources; such as BitTorrents, HTTP downloads, many universities, etc.
> > Very secure; drive-by-downloads are not possible under the default
> > configuration, and all software installations must be approved by
> entering
> > a
> > sudo password. Security mechanisms are easy to understand and
> reconfigure.
> > Customers may choose to upgrade when they are ready, and there are
> > long-term
> > support releases available, and community support is very easy to find.
> > Upgrades do not cost any money, and systems can usually be upgraded to
> the
> > newest version in less than an hour.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Microsoft has a majority market share
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> > You received this bug n...
> >
> > --
> > Microsoft has a majority market share
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> > of the bug.
> >
> > Status in Club Distro: Invalid
> > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> > Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid
> > Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> > Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> > Status in Tv-Player: New
> > Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> > Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> > Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: In Progress
> > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> > Status in “linux” package in Debian: Confirmed
> > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> > Status in openSUSE: New
> > Status in Tilix Linux: New
> >
> > Bug description:
> > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> > This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
> >
> > Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> > restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> > limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full
> potential,
> > globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
> >
> > Steps to repeat:
> >
> > 1. Visit a local PC store.
> >
> > What happens:
> > 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> > pre-installed.
> > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
> >
> > What should happen:
> > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> > Ubuntu.
> > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> > benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
> >
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Invalid
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: In Progress
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: Confirmed
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: New
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>

I'm glad you think that "it's more sutable [sic.] for developers than
Windows is." In the software world we need both developers and users, great
you think we have one down.

At any rate, as I think has been mentioned to you before, this discussion
would best be continued at www.ubuntuforums.org

On 16 May 2010 20:08, IDWMaster <webadm@elcnet.servehttp.com> wrote:

> I am in no means saying it is EXCLUSIVELY for developers, I'm just saying
> that it's more sutable for developers than Windows is.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "mzc" <mzcariaga@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 1:56 PM
> To: <webadm@elcnet.servehttp.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
>
> > It never mentioned in the ubuntu.com site that ubuntu os is just for
> > developers.....
> >
> > On May 16, 2010 11:51 AM, "IDWMaster" <webadm@elcnet.servehttp.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Windows and Ubuntu are made for separate purposes, but is there really
> any
> > competition between the two? They are both operating systems, but they
> are
> > both meant for different purposes. It is also important to keep in mind
> > that
> > Linux is not Windows (mentioned in a previous post on here somewhere).
> Due
> > to problems like the one mentioned above; it may not be suitable for the
> > individual or business to transition to Ubuntu, or it may not be suitable
> > for the business or individual to use Windows. In these cases; it is
> often
> > quite suitable to use both. That way; the person or organization will
> have
> > access to the benefits of both products. For example; some people have a
> > Nintendo Wii, a Playstation, an XBOX, and a Sega. These are all made by
> > competing companies, but are marketed to different audiences.
> > Therefore; Windows DOES have a majority market share in the consumer
> > market,
> > BUT Ubuntu has the majority market share in the Developer community.
> >
> > I've even seen a few Microsoft forums which have had Ubuntu support on
> > them, and Microsoft didn't take them down. So the question is; does
> > Microsoft really see Ubuntu as competition, or do they view it as a
> > platform for different purposes?
> >
> > Windows:
> > Commercial operating system (closed-source)
> > Targeted at consumer (and partnered with many major hardware
> > manufacturers)
> > Developers do not have access to kernel, and cannot make modifications to
> > the operating system. It lacks a packaging system; which makes it
> > difficult
> > (both legally difficult and programmatically) to develop software which
> > depends on other operating system components (such as .NET framework)
> > Pre-installed on many consumer PCs
> > Very insecure (prone to viruses, drive-by downloads, and also extremely
> > slow!)
> > Customers are forced by social pressure to upgrade to the latest version;
> > costing them lots of time and money
> >
> > Ubuntu:
> > Non-commercial operating system (open-source :)
> > Targeted at developer
> > Developers have full access to kernel, and can easily build kernel
> > modules,
> > applications, and rely on dependencies without worrying about binary
> > compatibility or legal issues when using the packaging system to specify
> > dependencies. The packaging system is very useful to prevent conflicting
> > programs from being installed at the same time, provides an easy update
> > mechanism (unlike Windows; which requires every program to have its own
> > updating mechanism), and it is easy for developers to test and deploy
> > their
> > software to the community
> > Not usually pre-installed on consumer PCs, but easily available from many
> > sources; such as BitTorrents, HTTP downloads, many universities, etc.
> > Very secure; drive-by-downloads are not possible under the default
> > configuration, and all software installations must be approved by
> entering
> > a
> > sudo password. Security mechanisms are easy to understand and
> reconfigure.
> > Customers may choose to upgrade when they are ready, and there are
> > long-term
> > support releases available, and community support is very easy to find.
> > Upgrades do not cost any money, and systems can usually be upgraded to
> the
> > newest version in less than an hour.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Microsoft has a majority market share
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> > You received this bug n...
> >
> > --
> > Microsoft has a majority market share
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> > of the bug.
> >
> > Status in Club Distro: Invalid
> > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> > Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid
> > Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> > Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> > Status in Tv-Player: New
> > Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> > Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> > Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: In Progress
> > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> > Status in “linux” package in Debian: Confirmed
> > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> > Status in openSUSE: New
> > Status in Tilix Linux: New
> >
> > Bug description:
> > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> > This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
> >
> > Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> > restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> > limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full
> potential,
> > globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
> >
> > Steps to repeat:
> >
> > 1. Visit a local PC store.
> >
> > What happens:
> > 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> > pre-installed.
> > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
> >
> > What should happen:
> > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> > Ubuntu.
> > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> > benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
> >
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Invalid
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid
> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player: New
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: In Progress
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian: Confirmed
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE: New
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe
>