Comment 1046 for bug 1

So what you are saying is that since everything is working fine for you,
then it means nothing is wrong with Linux and I have a perception
problem. So everything is fine with Linux if not for the perception
issue? I think not.

Btw, For some reason, I can't suspend to ram any more. Either X crashes
or nothing happens. I've opened a bug, but I can't say I'm holding my
breath.

I have been using linux for 12 years, the last 8 exclusively. And
professionally I've always used Unix / Linux. And I'm about to quit.

houstonbofh wrote:
> Ittay Dror wrote:
>
>> houstonbofh wrote:
>>
>>
>>> This really shows that we have a perception problem. I am addressing
>>> your issues, not to attack you, but to show you other answers. The real
>>> question is why you did not see them.
>>>
>>>
>> Why do you dismiss this as a problem of perception and not a real
>> problem? Do you really think that Ubuntu's only problem is perception
>> and not finding information? See my comments inline.
>>
>
> Dude! A perception problem IS a real problem! It is huge. It is real.
> And it is our biggest barrier to adoption. It absolutely needs to be
> fixed to even hope to resolve Bug 1.
>
>
>> I have compiz disabled and I have 4 desktop applications running -
>> thunderbird, terminal, firefox and eclipse. this is what free shows:
>> > free
>> total used free shared buffers cached
>> Mem: 4044664 2772556 1272108 0 476432 931564
>> -/+ buffers/cache: 1364560 2680104
>> Swap: 2851496 10896 2840600
>>
>> So 1.3GB is used.
>>
>
> I do not have eclipse. I do have a LOT of firefox instances and tabs
> open, and my mail folder is about 2 gig in Thunderbird.
>
> lee@boat:~$ free
> total used free shared buffers cached
> Mem: 2074856 839148 1235708 0 131500 338428
> -/+ buffers/cache: 369220 1705636
> Swap: 6080560 0 6080560
>
>
>> Running the same set of applications in windows doesn't take so much
>> memory. I have now running outlook, firefox, word, internet explorer,
>> emule and sketchup and the total used memory is 871MB.
>>
>
> Or it could be your instance, as I am fitting in 2 gig just fine. Or it
> could be eclipse... But it is not "Linux stinks!"
>
>
>> My laptop is Thinkpad T61. I think the Thinkpad line of laptops is very
>> reliable and widely used that it should just work.
>>
>
> I have currently 2 Dell Inspirons, a Latitude, a IBM T42, a Compaq
> Presario 2200 with no issues at all on Jaunty. One of them had major
> issues on Hardy. So by my anecdotal evidence, the "Thinkpad line"
> works, and by your it does not. Again, it sounds like an issue specific
> to you.
>
>
>>> Same with Windows. Buy well supported hardware and it will work. Buy
>>> poorly supported hardware and it won't. I have a Paperport scanner that
>>> won't work under XP or better, but will work in Linux.
>>>
>>>
>> As mentioned, my laptop is Thinkpad T61. I think it should be well supported
>>
>
> What have you done to support that opinion? A quick google shows more
> than a few issues with Linux on this laptop. Or did you just assume it
> would be supported?
>
>
>> I just made sure. To check the C drive in Windows, click Win+E,
>> right-click on C, select properties->Tools and click Check Now in Error
>> Checking. To fix errors you probably need to reboot, but just to check,
>> there's no need.
>>
>
> I do not have Windows handy, but with XP and older, to do a low level
> check, you needed to reboot. Perhaps Vista improved this... I do not know.
>
>
>> And even if I have to reboot, why is it so hard to ask a disk check? Why
>> isn't there some intuitive way of doing it from the desktop? Why is
>> there no way of defragmenting (I know, Ext is built so it allocates
>> space in the center, so less fragmentation occurs, still over time
>> there is fragmentation)
>>
>
> Did you look at the link? There is a way, but it is not installed by
> default.
>
> As to defragmenting, that is because it is not needed, and is not
> possible in the typical way. However, if you really feel you need it,
> there are tools if you remount EXT2. You will find that it takes time,
> and does not help. In a way, you are saying, "Where is the geese
> fitting to lubricate my ball joints?" on a car with sealed ball joints.
> I would say sealed ball joints are an improvement.
>
>
>> I think the bug is that Ubuntu uses a lot of memory, freezes, forces me
>> to reboot when I need to take my laptop and has several usability issues.
>>
>
> Yet there seem to be many people with uptimes over a year, running in
> far less memory that a typical Windows system, and find Linux far easier
> to use than Windows.
>
> So how do we get you from where you are now, to where I am now? This is
> a serious question. Would it take something like a "Disk Defragmenter"
> Application that when you run it tells you that it is not needed and
> gives the sealed ball joint analogy?
>
> To fix this perception bug, which it is absolutely vital that we
> address, we need to first fix your individule problems, and then figure
> out why you could not, and than make it so that others can fix them more
> intuitively. No small task...
>
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