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Comment 1012 for bug 1

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Allen Graham (allenggraham) wrote on 2009-02-19: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

#1012

Thanks for your comments John, (see his blog: http://john-os.blogspot.com/ )
Some of us here see things a little differently. First, although Microsoft
Corp., is not "evil" please ask yourself why so many fines and lawsuits have
gone against the company in the last 5 years ???? see:
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107100653

Next, let me assure you that most of us are not "zealots", but open-minded
people that desire a choice, an operating system that is well written, and
to go through life without the harassment that the likes of Microsoft,
burden us with.

Open source as you advocate is much more that just revealing the code in a
program.
First, the overwhelming problem created by the U.S. Patent Office and the
long line of lawsuits initiated by "Patent Trolls",
is the real and basic problem. Most of us laud Microsoft for its'
achievements, but are repulsed by some of its' tactics.

Until the Patent System can change we will operate as a group seeking
change, and hope that the current U.S. president has more common sense than
his two predecessors.

In the meantime John, keep up the good work, update your blog, and look at
Ubuntu 8.10, Intrepid Ibex, it is the torch bearer of change !

Allengg

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:33 PM, John Pyper <email address hidden> wrote:

> @Draeath:
>
> If this bug did not exist, the Linux movement as we know it today
> wouldn't exist or at least would be scattered and not really have any
> support behind it.
>
> Microsoft and/or Windows is not bad or evil, it's just that Microsoft
> has this notion of bullying the OEMs to make hardware that works only
> with their platform or locks the OEMs into ungodly ridiculous
> contracts to include their operating system with new systems.
>
> Some manufacturers have decided to release systems with Ubuntu on them
> as test runs. Most notably, Dell, has it available for their low end
> notebooks and netbooks. I work for a sub-division of Dell called
> Managed Services. We have seen some of our customers request Ubuntu or
> other distributions of Linux to be included with their system
> purchases because they read on the net that Windows is always being
> attacked by a virus, trojan, malware or something similar.
>
> All in all, Canonical's movement with Ubuntu to 'fix' the BUG 1
> problem is mostly to make normal end users aware that there is choice
> of operating systems available and advocate the freedom of software
> choice.
>
> I don't agree with this whole Linux vs Windows war and I do not
> support it one bit. I build systems to economically meet the
> customer's needs. If they want Windows to play the new games, I make
> it happen. I even make them aware that they can have an option to dual
> boot their system with Windows and Ubutu. I setup the Ubuntu
> installation using WUBI so that they can't do any damage to their
> system. Not satisified with Ubuntu? Boot Windows and uninstall it or
> delete the c:\Ubuntu directory and be done with it.
>
> It's all about having a choice. Demonstrate to people this freedom and
> let them make the final decision.
>
> I've babbled enough. Now it's your turn to exercise your right and
> make a decision in which direction you want to go.
>
> ***NOTE***
> The words that I say in this message are not representing or endorsed
> by Dell in any way. These are my personal views.
>
> John Pyper
> Dell | Managed Services
> http://john-os.blogspot.com/
> BaD_CrC on Freenode IRC
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/jpyper
>
>
> On 2/17/09, Draeath <email address hidden> wrote:
> > Wow, this bug simply existing, certainly shows a lot of professionalism.
> >
> > I vote this bug be removed.
> >
> > --
> > Microsoft has a majority market share
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> > of the bug.
> >
> > Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed
> > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed
> > Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed
> > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid
> > Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid
> > Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed
> > Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> > Status in "bum" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in "casper" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in "djplay" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in "firefox" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in "ubuntu-express" source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> > Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid
> > Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid
> > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed
> > Status in "linux" source package in Debian: Confirmed
> > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> > Status in Tilix Linux: New
> >
> > Bug description:
> > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> > This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
> >
> > Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting
> > access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the
> > ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally.
> This
> > bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
> >
> > Steps to repeat:
> >
> > 1. Visit a local PC store.
> >
> > What happens:
> > 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> > pre-installed.
> > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
> >
> > What should happen:
> > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> > Ubuntu.
> > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> > benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
> >
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed
> Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid
> Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid
> Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in "bum" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "casper" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "djplay" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "firefox" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "ubuntu-express" source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid
> Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed
> Status in "linux" source package in Debian: Confirmed
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>

--
....how to switch to Linux
http://www.bmighty.com/hardware_software/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212900166

http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan#

Thanks for your comments John, (see his blog: http://john-os.blogspot.com/ )
Some of us here see things a little differently. First, although Microsoft
Corp., is not "evil" please ask yourself why so many fines and lawsuits have
gone against the company in the last 5 years ????   see:
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107100653

Until the Patent System can change we will operate as a group seeking
change,  and hope that the current U.S. president has more common sense than
his two predecessors.

In the meantime John, keep up the good work, update your blog, and look at
Ubuntu 8.10, Intrepid Ibex, it is the torch bearer of change !

Allengg

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:33 PM, John Pyper <jpyper@gmail.com> wrote:

> @Draeath:
>
> If this bug did not exist, the Linux movement as we know it today
> wouldn't exist or at least would be scattered and not really have any
> support behind it.
>
> Microsoft and/or Windows is not bad or evil, it's just that Microsoft
> has this notion of bullying the OEMs to make hardware that works only
> with their platform or locks the OEMs into ungodly ridiculous
> contracts to include their operating system with new systems.
>
> Some manufacturers have decided to release systems with Ubuntu on them
> as test runs. Most notably, Dell, has it available for their low end
> notebooks and netbooks. I work for a sub-division of Dell called
> Managed Services. We have seen some of our customers request Ubuntu or
> other distributions of Linux to be included with their system
> purchases because they read on the net that Windows is always being
> attacked by a virus, trojan, malware or something similar.
>
> All in all, Canonical's movement with Ubuntu to 'fix' the BUG 1
> problem is mostly to make normal end users aware that there is choice
> of operating systems available and advocate the freedom of software
> choice.
>
> I don't agree with this whole Linux vs Windows war and I do not
> support it one bit. I build systems to economically meet the
> customer's needs. If they want Windows to play the new games, I make
> it happen. I even make them aware that they can have an option to dual
> boot their system with Windows and Ubutu. I setup the Ubuntu
> installation using WUBI so that they can't do any damage to their
> system. Not satisified with Ubuntu? Boot Windows and uninstall it or
> delete the c:\Ubuntu directory and be done with it.
>
> It's all about having a choice. Demonstrate to people this freedom and
> let them make the final decision.
>
> I've babbled enough. Now it's your turn to exercise your right and
> make a decision in which direction you want to go.
>
> ***NOTE***
> The words that I say in this message are not representing or endorsed
> by Dell in any way. These are my personal views.
>
> John Pyper
> Dell | Managed Services
> http://john-os.blogspot.com/
> BaD_CrC on Freenode IRC
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/jpyper
>
>
> On 2/17/09, Draeath <draeath@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Wow, this bug simply existing, certainly shows a lot of professionalism.
> >
> > I vote this bug be removed.
> >
> > --
> > Microsoft has a majority market share
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> > of the bug.
> >
> > Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed
> > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed
> > Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed
> > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid
> > Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid
> > Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed
> > Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> > Status in "bum" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in "casper" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in "djplay" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in "firefox" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> > Status in "ubuntu-express" source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> > Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid
> > Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid
> > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed
> > Status in "linux" source package in Debian: Confirmed
> > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> > Status in Tilix Linux: New
> >
> > Bug description:
> > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> > This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
> >
> > Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting
> > access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the
> > ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally.
> This
> > bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
> >
> > Steps to repeat:
> >
> > 1. Visit a local PC store.
> >
> > What happens:
> > 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> > pre-installed.
> > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
> >
> > What should happen:
> > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> > Ubuntu.
> > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> > benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
> >
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed
> Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid
> Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid
> Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed
> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
> Status in "bum" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "casper" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "djplay" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "firefox" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in "ubuntu-express" source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid
> Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed
> Status in "linux" source package in Debian: Confirmed
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>

-- 
....how to switch to Linux
http://www.bmighty.com/hardware_software/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212900166

http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan#