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Comment 1831 for bug 1

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Tom (tom6) wrote on 2013-05-27: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

#1831

Hi :)
The problem is that people are comparing installing Ubuntu against using a system that is already installed for them.

A pre-installed systems means you don't have to do anything to install it. Of course that is easier than installing it yourself!

I'm not quite sure about the quality issue.

1. Bug-reports: Is there anywhere you can look up how many bug-reports have been filed against non-unix-based systems? Do any Windows users know how to post bug-reports against their system? Is it positively encouraged and made easy to post them? How many of the 100K are duplicates or likely to be fixed by fixing the same bit of code? Do all the 100K affect Ubuntu or are some against other distros?

2. Works anywhere: Errr, everywhere i have installed Ubuntu it works well. I even have a full install on a usb-stick (not a LiveUsb so it doesn't do hardware checking so thoroughly) that seems to work in every machine (not tried it on a Win8 on yet)

3. Malware: Ubuntu never suffers from this. Mac seems to get 1 or 2 every couple of years. Android and Blackberry seem fairly immune too.

Also what do we consider as competitors, as rivals? Mac, Android, Blackberry, Bsd and other unix-based OSes seem to operate as fair competition. Each has a niche. Each, to some extent, operates in co-operative competition for/against each other.

Regards from
Tom :)

>________________________________
> From: A. Denton <>
>Sent: Sunday, 26 May 2013, 2:40
>
>
>The bugs name should be altered. I think Microsoft is just one player in
>this game. Have you realized some things changed since the 90's? Just
>imagine... Oracle took over Sun, Apple released OS 10 (X) and BSD is a
>powerful and usable OS . :-]
>
>Seriously guys I think Microsoft is not the biggest problem we have and
>neither is Apple or some other company. The biggest problem right now is
>'us'. I think we have a problem with Linux, with quality and with the
>direction in which things are going. Yes, I say we have a problem with
>quality and 100k+ bugs here. We have a problem with users still making a
>valid point in saying Ubuntu is to hard to install and to yet not usable
>in the same way and everywhere like the systems of our competitors.
>
>All that is not Microsoft's fault. And even a major market share for a
>dinosaur like them is not a problem in the first place. However it
>matters whether our quality is better or not. Bill Gates was wrong when
>he replied to Jobs in the 80's that it doesn't matter. It does matter –
>you can see it yourself!
>
>

Hi :)
The problem is that people are comparing installing Ubuntu against using a system that is already installed for them.

A pre-installed systems means you don't have to do anything to install it.  Of course that is easier than installing it yourself!

I'm not quite sure about the quality issue.

1.  Bug-reports:  Is there anywhere you can look up how many bug-reports have been filed against non-unix-based systems?  Do any Windows users know how to post bug-reports against their system?  Is it positively encouraged and made easy to post them?  How many of the 100K are duplicates or likely to be fixed by fixing the same bit of code?  Do all the 100K affect Ubuntu or are some against other distros?

2.  Works anywhere:  Errr, everywhere i have installed Ubuntu it works well.  I even have a full install on a usb-stick (not a LiveUsb so it doesn't do hardware checking so thoroughly) that seems to work in every machine (not tried it on a Win8 on yet)

3.  Malware:  Ubuntu never suffers from this.  Mac seems to get 1 or 2 every couple of years.  Android and Blackberry seem fairly immune too.

Also what do we consider as competitors, as rivals?  Mac, Android, Blackberry, Bsd and other unix-based OSes seem to operate as fair competition.  Each has a niche.  Each, to some extent, operates in co-operative competition for/against each other.

Regards from 
Tom :)

>________________________________
> From: A. Denton <>
>Sent: Sunday, 26 May 2013, 2:40
>
> 
>The bugs name should be altered. I think Microsoft is just one player in
>this game. Have you realized some things changed since the 90's? Just
>imagine... Oracle took over Sun, Apple released OS 10 (X) and BSD is a
>powerful and usable OS . :-]
>
>Seriously guys I think Microsoft is not the biggest problem we have and
>neither is Apple or some other company. The biggest problem right now is
>'us'. I think we have a problem with Linux, with quality and with the
>direction in which things are going. Yes, I say we have a problem with
>quality and 100k+ bugs here. We have a problem with users still making a
>valid point in saying Ubuntu is to hard to install and to yet not usable
>in the same way and everywhere like the systems of our competitors.
>
>All that is not Microsoft's fault. And even a major market share for a
>dinosaur like them is not a problem in the first place. However it
>matters whether our quality is better or not. Bill Gates was wrong when
>he replied to Jobs in the 80's that it doesn't matter. It does matter –
>you can see it yourself!
>
>