Firfox menu language selected by LOCALE and not be MENU-language

[Martin Andersson]

When using Ubuntu 10.04 with Englsih menus and Japanese locale, firefox displayed the file-, edit-, menus in Japanese. Selection of language to be displayed in Firfox should be based on Menu-language, not Locale.

[David Planella (dpm)]

Martin,

Could you please explain us what do you mean with "English menus and a Japanese locale"? How do you set the two different languages?

Thanks!

Note that this might be related to bug 553162, for which we've been getting a lot of duplicates recently.

[Martin Andersson (martin-olof-andersson)]

Hi David

The language settings are two things.

One concerns with what kind of currency is being used, what kind of decimal
point etectera. This is usually referred to as "locale". The locale should
be used only for how to display things like year-date-format, thousand
separator, and so on.

The other thing is what language is used in menus, for example the Ubuntu
desktop menus, but also the language used in applications like Open Office
or Firefox.

The reason why there are two different settings is that someone using
Russian menus may want to use an american locale if they are working a lot
US units like inches and feet. It might even be that someone wants to
customize the locale settings.

In my case, I prefer to English menus and Japanese locale to get currencies
and separators right. But if I change the locale to be Japanese, also the
menus of Firefox change to Japanese. It might be OK, but it is not a correct
behavior. All the other menus in the desktop and so on remin in English.
Only if changing to Japanese menus in the language settings, the menus
should change.

(I have seen this problem for many applications also in Windows XP but
recently most apps are behaving correctly and not deciding the menus from
the locale).

Hope this helps

Martin

2010/5/6 David Planella <email address hidden>

> Martin,
>
> Could you please explain us what do you mean with "English menus and a
> Japanese locale"? How do you set the two different languages?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Note that this might be related to bug 553162, for which we've been
> getting a lot of duplicates recently.
>
> ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations
> Status: New => Incomplete
>
> --
> Firfox menu language selected by LOCALE and not be MENU-language
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576162
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>

[David Planella (dpm)]

Hi Martin,

El dj 06 de 05 de 2010 a les 09:16 +0000, en/na Martin Andersson va
escriure:
> Hi David
>
> The language settings are two things.
>
> One concerns with what kind of currency is being used, what kind of decimal
> point etectera. This is usually referred to as "locale". The locale should
> be used only for how to display things like year-date-format, thousand
> separator, and so on.
>

I understand what the different locale settings are, I'm just trying to
determine how exactly you set them, so we can debug your problem.

So could you:

* Tell us how did you change them? With gnome-language-selector (i.e.
System > Administration > Language Support)?
* Give us the output of the 'locale' command on the terminal?

> The other thing is what language is used in menus, for example the Ubuntu
> desktop menus, but also the language used in applications like Open Office
> or Firefox.
>

The language shown in menus should be the same used in the applications.
If it's not, this is probably a bug.

Recently gnome-language-selector gained the functionality to set a
locale for the language of the applications differently from other
regional settings (currency, date, etc.), and I'm just wondering if this
is related to that.

> The reason why there are two different settings is that someone using
> Russian menus may want to use an american locale if they are working a lot
> US units like inches and feet. It might even be that someone wants to
> customize the locale settings.
>
> In my case, I prefer to English menus and Japanese locale to get currencies
> and separators right. But if I change the locale to be Japanese, also the
> menus of Firefox change to Japanese. It might be OK, but it is not a correct
> behavior. All the other menus in the desktop and so on remin in English.
> Only if changing to Japanese menus in the language settings, the menus
> should change.
>
> (I have seen this problem for many applications also in Windows XP but
> recently most apps are behaving correctly and not deciding the menus from
> the locale).
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2010/5/6 David Planella <email address hidden>
>
> > Martin,
> >
> > Could you please explain us what do you mean with "English menus and a
> > Japanese locale"? How do you set the two different languages?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Note that this might be related to bug 553162, for which we've been
> > getting a lot of duplicates recently.
> >
> > ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations
> > Status: New => Incomplete
> >
> > --
> > Firfox menu language selected by LOCALE and not be MENU-language
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576162
> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> > of the bug.
> >
>

Thanks!

--
David Planella
Ubuntu Translations Coordinator
david(dot)planella(at)ubuntu(dot)com
www.ubuntu.com

[Martin Andersson (martin-olof-andersson)]

Yes, I think it is the same bug as you refer in your next mail.

Anyway, referring to your question - here is how to reproduce it:

installed Ubuntu 10.04
using GNOME interface

system - adminsitration - laguage support
text tab (by the way, this is a misleading tab name, "Locale" or "Dates,
numbers and currency" would be better)
select another language than English for "display numbers, dates, ..."
push apply system wide

log out
log on again

Firefox does not diplay menus in English

Best regards
MArtin

2010/5/6 David Planella <email address hidden>

> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 550222 ***
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/550222
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> El dj 06 de 05 de 2010 a les 09:16 +0000, en/na Martin Andersson va
> escriure:
> > Hi David
> >
> > The language settings are two things.
> >
> > One concerns with what kind of currency is being used, what kind of
> decimal
> > point etectera. This is usually referred to as "locale". The locale
> should
> > be used only for how to display things like year-date-format, thousand
> > separator, and so on.
> >
>
> I understand what the different locale settings are, I'm just trying to
> determine how exactly you set them, so we can debug your problem.
>
> So could you:
>
> * Tell us how did you change them? With gnome-language-selector (i.e.
> System > Administration > Language Support)?
> * Give us the output of the 'locale' command on the terminal?
>
> > The other thing is what language is used in menus, for example the Ubuntu
> > desktop menus, but also the language used in applications like Open
> Office
> > or Firefox.
> >
>
> The language shown in menus should be the same used in the applications.
> If it's not, this is probably a bug.
>
> Recently gnome-language-selector gained the functionality to set a
> locale for the language of the applications differently from other
> regional settings (currency, date, etc.), and I'm just wondering if this
> is related to that.
>
> > The reason why there are two different settings is that someone using
> > Russian menus may want to use an american locale if they are working a
> lot
> > US units like inches and feet. It might even be that someone wants to
> > customize the locale settings.
> >
> > In my case, I prefer to English menus and Japanese locale to get
> currencies
> > and separators right. But if I change the locale to be Japanese, also the
> > menus of Firefox change to Japanese. It might be OK, but it is not a
> correct
> > behavior. All the other menus in the desktop and so on remin in English.
> > Only if changing to Japanese menus in the language settings, the menus
> > should change.
> >
> > (I have seen this problem for many applications also in Windows XP but
> > recently most apps are behaving correctly and not deciding the menus from
> > the locale).
> >
> > Hope this helps
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2010/5/6 David Planella <email address hidden>
> >
> > > Martin,
> > >
> > > Could you please explain us what do you mean with "English menus and a
> > > Japanese locale"? How do you set the two different languages?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Note that this might be related to bug 553162, fo...

[David Planella (dpm)]

This is not a duplicate of bug #553162, even if that bug triggers it.