Problems with CPU frequency in Lucid 32/64 release candidate

Bug #570297 reported by Hicks
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indicator-sound (Ubuntu)
Invalid
Low
Conor Curran

Bug Description

Problemas con la frecuencia de la CPU en Lucid 32/64 release candidate.

Tengo instalada la version release candidate de Lucid en 32 y 64 bits. He notado que el microprocesador se pone al tope sin hacer nada. Se encuentra totalmente revolucionado. Adjunto informacion del sistema operativo/hardware.
Puede estar relacionado con el excesivo consumo de memoria ram que se ha reportado hace poco?
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Problems with CPU frequency in Lucid 32/64 release candidate.

I have installed the release candidate version of Lucid in 32 and 64 bits. The CPU is always completely revolutionized, even in the absence workload. Deputy information operating system / hardware.
May be related to excessive consumption of RAM memory that has been reported recently?

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Hicks (hicks1gb) wrote :
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Hicks (hicks1gb) wrote :

Hello again, I have located the problem. These indicator-applet & sound-service-indicator, killing these processes the CPU lowers its frequency to a minimum. With the last update of the system, it does not work the sound applet, or so appears to recognize the sound card, although the sound works perfectly. The keys to raise and lower the sound does not work, but since an audio player (amarok) can be handled without problems. It gives the feeling that the system tries to run the sound applet without success, accelerating the CPU to the top.
Regards

affects: ubuntu → indicator-sound (Ubuntu)
Conor Curran (cjcurran)
Changed in indicator-sound (Ubuntu):
assignee: nobody → Conor Curran (cjcurran)
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Conor Curran (cjcurran) wrote :

Hi there,

Could you run this command from the terminal window and paste the output here

/usr/lib/indicator-sound/indicator-sound-service

thanks,
Conor

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Hicks (hicks1gb) wrote : Re: [Bug 570297] Re: Problems with CPU frequency in Lucid 32/64 release candidate
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El 29/04/10 11:50, Conor Curran escribió:
> Hi there,
>
> Could you run this command from the terminal window and paste the output
> here
>
> /usr/lib/indicator-sound/indicator-sound-service
>
>
> thanks,
> Conor
>
> predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$ /usr/lib/indicator-sound/indicator-sound-service
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: Root ID: 1
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: update pa state with state 0, availability of 0, mute value of 0 and a volume percent is 0,000000
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: Building new Slider Menu Item
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: !!!!!!**in the rebuild sound menu - slider active = 0
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: Emitting signal: SINK_AVAILABILITY_UPDATE, with value 0
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: Emitting signal: SINK_VOLUME_UPDATE, with sink_volme 0,000000
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: Emitting signal: SINK_MUTE_UPDATE, with sink mute 0
> Failed to create secure directory: Permiso denegado
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: connecting - waiting for the server to become available
>
> ** (process:5624): WARNING **: FAILED to retrieve context - Is PulseAudio Daemon running ?
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: freeing the pulse context
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: update pa state with state 0, availability of 0, mute value of 0 and a volume percent is 0,000000
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: in the refresh menu method
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: Emitting signal: SINK_AVAILABILITY_UPDATE, with value 0
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: Emitting signal: SINK_VOLUME_UPDATE, with sink_volme 0,000000
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: Emitting signal: SINK_MUTE_UPDATE, with sink mute 0
> Failed to create secure directory: Permiso denegado
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: connecting - waiting for the server to become available
>
> ** (process:5624): WARNING **: FAILED to retrieve context - Is PulseAudio Daemon running ?
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: freeing the pulse context
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: update pa state with state 0, availability of 0, mute value of 0 and a volume percent is 0,000000
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: in the refresh menu method
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: Emitting signal: SINK_AVAILABILITY_UPDATE, with value 0
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: Emitting signal: SINK_VOLUME_UPDATE, with sink_volme 0,000000
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: Emitting signal: SINK_MUTE_UPDATE, with sink mute 0
> Failed to create secure directory: Permiso denegado
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: connecting - waiting for the server to become available
>
> ** (process:5624): WARNING **: FAILED to retrieve context - Is PulseAudio Daemon running ?
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: freeing the pulse context
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: update pa state with state 0, availability of 0, mute value of 0 and a volume percent is 0,000000
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: in the refresh menu method
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: Emitting signal: SINK_AVAILABILITY_UPDATE, with value 0
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: Emitting signal: SINK_VOLUME_UPDATE, with sink_volme 0,000000
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: Emitting signal: SINK_MUTE_UPDATE, with sink mute 0
> Failed to create secure directory: Permiso denegado
> ** (process:5624): DEBUG: connecting - waiting for the server to become available
>
> ** (process:5624): WARNING **: FAILED to re...

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Conor Curran (cjcurran) wrote :

It looks as if Pulseaudio is not running. Can you confirm this ?

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Hicks (hicks1gb) wrote : Re: [Bug 570297] Re: Problems with CPU frequency in Lucid 32/64 release candidate

Can you say me how to do this? The sound works fine.

2010/4/29 Conor Curran <email address hidden>

> It looks as if Pulseaudio is not running. Can you confirm this ?
>
> --
> Problems with CPU frequency in Lucid 32/64 release candidate
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570297
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>

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Conor Curran (cjcurran) wrote :

Can you install paman from apt-get ? This will help debugging sound issues with pulse.

Open terminal and type

>sudo apt-get install paman
....

then type

>paman

This should bring up the manager which will indicate if pulse is running.

You can also search the running processes from terminal with

>ps aux | grep pulseaudio

If you find it is not running,

from terminal type:

pulseaudio --start

then recheck that the process stays up.

The service should not have problems though with an unstable pulse. It has been tested thoroughly to handle this...

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Hicks (hicks1gb) wrote : Re: [Bug 570297] Re: Problems with CPU frequency in Lucid 32/64 release candidate

El 29/04/10 14:38, Conor Curran escribió:
> Can you install paman from apt-get ? This will help debugging sound
> issues with pulse.
>
> Open terminal and type
>
>
>> sudo apt-get install paman
>>
> ....
>
> then type
>
>
>> paman
>>
> This should bring up the manager which will indicate if pulse is
> running.
>
> You can also search the running processes from terminal with
>
>
>> ps aux | grep pulseaudio
>>
>
> If you find it is not running,
>
> from terminal type:
>
> pulseaudio --start
>
> then recheck that the process stays up.
>
> The service should not have problems though with an unstable pulse. It
> has been tested thoroughly to handle this...
>
>
predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$ ps aux | grep pulseaudio
predatux 10558 0.0 0.0 7632 940 pts/0 S+ 14:56 0:00 grep
--color=auto pulseaudio
predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$ pulseaudio --start
E: core-util.c: Failed to create secure directory: Permiso denegado
W: lock-autospawn.c: No se puede acceder al bloqueo de autogeneración.
E: main.c: Failed to acquire autospawn lock
predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$

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Conor Curran (cjcurran) wrote : Re: [Bug 570297] Re: Problems with CPU frequency in Lucid 32/64 release candidate

Hi,

So pulse is definitely not running. Have you changed anything to do with
pulse ?
 From terminal please start pulse and recheck to see if it stays running
(both described below).

Conor

On 29/04/10 14:00, Hicks wrote:
> El 29/04/10 14:38, Conor Curran escribió:
>
>> Can you install paman from apt-get ? This will help debugging sound
>> issues with pulse.
>>
>> Open terminal and type
>>
>>
>>
>>> sudo apt-get install paman
>>>
>>>
>> ....
>>
>> then type
>>
>>
>>
>>> paman
>>>
>>>
>> This should bring up the manager which will indicate if pulse is
>> running.
>>
>> You can also search the running processes from terminal with
>>
>>
>>
>>> ps aux | grep pulseaudio
>>>
>>>
>> If you find it is not running,
>>
>> from terminal type:
>>
>> pulseaudio --start
>>
>> then recheck that the process stays up.
>>
>> The service should not have problems though with an unstable pulse. It
>> has been tested thoroughly to handle this...
>>
>>
>>
> predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$ ps aux | grep pulseaudio
> predatux 10558 0.0 0.0 7632 940 pts/0 S+ 14:56 0:00 grep
> --color=auto pulseaudio
> predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$ pulseaudio --start
> E: core-util.c: Failed to create secure directory: Permiso denegado
> W: lock-autospawn.c: No se puede acceder al bloqueo de autogeneración.
> E: main.c: Failed to acquire autospawn lock
> predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$
>
>
>
>
>
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Hicks (hicks1gb) wrote :

El 29/04/10 15:40, Conor Curran escribió:
> Hi,
>
> So pulse is definitely not running. Have you changed anything to do with
> pulse ?
> From terminal please start pulse and recheck to see if it stays running
> (both described below).
>
> Conor
>
>
> On 29/04/10 14:00, Hicks wrote:
>
>> El 29/04/10 14:38, Conor Curran escribió:
>>
>>
>>> Can you install paman from apt-get ? This will help debugging sound
>>> issues with pulse.
>>>
>>> Open terminal and type
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> sudo apt-get install paman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> then type
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> paman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> This should bring up the manager which will indicate if pulse is
>>> running.
>>>
>>> You can also search the running processes from terminal with
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ps aux | grep pulseaudio
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If you find it is not running,
>>>
>>> from terminal type:
>>>
>>> pulseaudio --start
>>>
>>> then recheck that the process stays up.
>>>
>>> The service should not have problems though with an unstable pulse. It
>>> has been tested thoroughly to handle this...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$ ps aux | grep pulseaudio
>> predatux 10558 0.0 0.0 7632 940 pts/0 S+ 14:56 0:00 grep
>> --color=auto pulseaudio
>> predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$ pulseaudio --start
>> E: core-util.c: Failed to create secure directory: Permiso denegado
>> W: lock-autospawn.c: No se puede acceder al bloqueo de autogeneración.
>> E: main.c: Failed to acquire autospawn lock
>> predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ** Attachment added: "Selección_001.png"
>> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/46262747/Selecci%C3%B3n_001.png
>>
>> ** Attachment added: "Selección_002.png"
>> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/46262748/Selecci%C3%B3n_002.png
>>
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>> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/46262749/Selecci%C3%B3n_003.png
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>> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/46262750/Selecci%C3%B3n_004.png
>>
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>> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/46262751/Selecci%C3%B3n_005.png
>>
>>
>>
> Hello, I have not changed anything, but I updated the OS to the latest version.

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Conor Curran (cjcurran) wrote : Re: [Bug 570297] Re: Problems with CPU frequency in Lucid 32/64 release candidate

Could you follow the instructions here and let me know when you have
added the log to launchpad.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log

thx
Conor

On 29/04/10 15:11, Hicks wrote:
> El 29/04/10 15:40, Conor Curran escribió:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So pulse is definitely not running. Have you changed anything to do with
>> pulse ?
>> From terminal please start pulse and recheck to see if it stays running
>> (both described below).
>>
>> Conor
>>
>>
>> On 29/04/10 14:00, Hicks wrote:
>>
>>
>>> El 29/04/10 14:38, Conor Curran escribió:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can you install paman from apt-get ? This will help debugging sound
>>>> issues with pulse.
>>>>
>>>> Open terminal and type
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt-get install paman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ....
>>>>
>>>> then type
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> paman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> This should bring up the manager which will indicate if pulse is
>>>> running.
>>>>
>>>> You can also search the running processes from terminal with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ps aux | grep pulseaudio
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If you find it is not running,
>>>>
>>>> from terminal type:
>>>>
>>>> pulseaudio --start
>>>>
>>>> then recheck that the process stays up.
>>>>
>>>> The service should not have problems though with an unstable pulse. It
>>>> has been tested thoroughly to handle this...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$ ps aux | grep pulseaudio
>>> predatux 10558 0.0 0.0 7632 940 pts/0 S+ 14:56 0:00 grep
>>> --color=auto pulseaudio
>>> predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$ pulseaudio --start
>>> E: core-util.c: Failed to create secure directory: Permiso denegado
>>> W: lock-autospawn.c: No se puede acceder al bloqueo de autogeneración.
>>> E: main.c: Failed to acquire autospawn lock
>>> predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ** Attachment added: "Selección_001.png"
>>> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/46262747/Selecci%C3%B3n_001.png
>>>
>>> ** Attachment added: "Selección_002.png"
>>> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/46262748/Selecci%C3%B3n_002.png
>>>
>>> ** Attachment added: "Selección_003.png"
>>> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/46262749/Selecci%C3%B3n_003.png
>>>
>>> ** Attachment added: "Selección_004.png"
>>> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/46262750/Selecci%C3%B3n_004.png
>>>
>>> ** Attachment added: "Selección_005.png"
>>> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/46262751/Selecci%C3%B3n_005.png
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Hello, I have not changed anything, but I updated the OS to the latest version.
>>
>
> ** Attachment added: "Selección_001.png"
> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/46275251/Selecci%C3%B3n_001.png
>
>

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Hicks (hicks1gb) wrote :

Hi again.

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Hicks (hicks1gb) wrote :

Hi, the problem persists. The processor is the top again and I still can not handle the sound from the applet. I can not access to "preferences sound."
Regards

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Conor Curran (cjcurran) wrote : Re: [Bug 570297] Re: Problems with CPU frequency in Lucid 32/64 release candidate

Yes this is because Pulseaudio cannot start due to some Mac related
problem. Without Pulse the slider and gnome-volume-control are useless.
Could you print the output on terminal from the command

 > ls -la /tmp/

On 29/04/10 16:30, Hicks wrote:
> Hi, the problem persists. The processor is the top again and I still can not handle the sound from the applet. I can not access to "preferences sound."
> Regards
>
> ** Attachment added: "Escritorio.tar.gz"
> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/46296599/Escritorio.tar.gz
>
>

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Hicks (hicks1gb) wrote :

El 29/04/10 17:49, Conor Curran escribió:predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$ ls -la
/tmp/
total 56
drwxrwxrwt 13 root root 4096 2010-04-29 18:53 .
drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 2010-04-23 00:54 ..
drwx------ 2 gdm gdm 4096 2010-04-29 17:24 .esd-114
drwx------ 2 predatux predatux 4096 2010-04-29 17:24 .exchange-predatux
srwxr-xr-x 1 predatux predatux 0 2010-04-29 17:28
gnome-system-monitor.predatux.1422655057
drwx------ 2 predatux predatux 4096 2010-04-29 17:23 gpg-zRvvSU
drwxrwxrwt 2 gdm gdm 4096 2010-04-29 17:23 .ICE-unix
drwx------ 2 predatux predatux 4096 2010-04-29 17:23 keyring-ZxeSlf
drwx------ 2 gdm gdm 4096 2010-04-29 17:23 orbit-gdm
drwx------ 2 predatux predatux 4096 2010-04-29 18:54 orbit-predatux
drwx------ 2 gdm gdm 4096 2010-04-29 17:24 pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n
drwx------ 2 predatux predatux 4096 2010-04-29 17:23 ssh-MzCCSj1108
drwx------ 2 predatux predatux 4096 2010-04-29 17:23
virtual-predatux.1y1U94
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 11 2010-04-29 17:23 .X0-lock
drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 4096 2010-04-29 17:23 .X11-unix
predatux@MacBook-Pro:~$

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Conor Curran (cjcurran) wrote :

Hi,

Could you confirm the filesystem of your install. The problem with this is Pulse being unable to run on your system.
Although I do not understand why the service is hogging your system. The first task is to figure out why Pulse is unable to run therefore you should prevent the indicator-sound-service from running.
> killall indicator-sound-service

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Conor Curran (cjcurran) wrote :

Okay this seems to be an issue on certain machines. I would like to follow the instructions here and turn pulse audio off.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/StopPulseaudio

Then restart and see if the problem persists. I cannot reproduce this. It sounds like the indicator is stuck in a loop polling pulse to come alive. In truth it does poll pulse but does this via the pulse async api and as a result is very timid on resources.

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Hicks (hicks1gb) wrote : Re: [Bug 570297] Re: Problems with CPU frequency in Lucid 32/64 release candidate

Ok, thanks. it works fine now ;)

Regards

2010/5/19 Conor Curran <email address hidden>

> Okay this seems to be an issue on certain machines. I would like to
> follow the instructions here and turn pulse audio off.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/StopPulseaudio
>
> Then restart and see if the problem persists. I cannot reproduce this.
> It sounds like the indicator is stuck in a loop polling pulse to come
> alive. In truth it does poll pulse but does this via the pulse async api
> and as a result is very timid on resources.
>
> --
> Problems with CPU frequency in Lucid 32/64 release candidate
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570297
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>

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virus que violan tu intimidad y se cargan tu trabajo.
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más, pero de forma lógica y segura.
Escoge la distribución de Linux que mas se adapte a tus necesidades y
disfruta de tu ordenador... Recomiendo Ubuntu Linux para comenzar...
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para salir de la
crisis<http://noticias.lainformacion.com/arte-cultura-y-espectaculos/cine/el-cine-espanol-cerrara-con-cifras-record-a-pesar-de-internet_uVFrhCBCXhYPTF51YCG3a7/>
como
se ha demostrado<http://www.theinquirer.es/2009/11/17/lo-que-las-discograficas-ocultan.html>
 ampliamente<http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2009/11/20/cultura/1258739927.html>

4 - Los mecanismos preventivos urgentes de los que dispone la ley y la
judicatura son para proteger a toda ciudadanía frente a riesgos tan graves
como los que afectan a la salud pública. El gobierno pretende utilizar estos
mismos mecanismos de protección global para beneficiar intereses
particulares frente a la ciudadanía. Además la normativa introducirá el
concepto de "lucro indirecto", es decir: me pueden cerrrar el blog porque
"promociono" a uno que "promociona" a otro que enlaza a un tercero que hace
negocios presuntamente ilícitos.

5 - Recordamos que la propiedad intelectual no es un derecho
fundamental<http://derechoynormas.blogspot.com/2010/01/la-ley-de-ejecucion-por-la-sospecha.html>
contrariamente
a las declaraciones del Ministro de Justicia, Francisco Caamaño. Lo que es
un derecho fundamental es el derecho a la producción literaria y artística.

6 - De acuerdo con las declaraciones de la Ministra de Cultura, esta
disposición se utilizará exclusivamente para cerrar 200 webs que
presuntamente están atentando contra los derechos de autor. Entendemos que
si éste es el objetivo de la disposición, esta no es necesaria, ya que con
la legislación actual existen procedimientos que permiten actuar contra
webs, incluso con medidas cautelares, cuando presuntamente se esté
incumpliend...

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Hicks (hicks1gb) wrote : Solicitud importante. ESTO SI QUE HAS DE PASARLO A TODOS TUS CONTACTOS! USA CCO (COPIA OCULTA DE DIRECCIONES DE CORREO).

Te gusta la situación que vivimos en España? Imagino que no, verdad?

Haz algo útil, acude a votar y hazlo por el partido político que más te
guste, a excepción de los de siempre. Hay mucha gente movilizada y la
gentuza que se encuentra en el poder comienza a estar asustada.

No votar, votar en blanco o voto nulo BENEFICIA A LOS DE SIEMPRE!!!!

Recomiendo visitar la página que os dejo a continuación y tomar vuestras
propias conclusiones.

http://www.nolesvotes.com/

Abstención = NUNCA

voto en BLANCO = NUNCA
Votar al PP = NUNCA
Votar al PSOE = NUNCA
Votar al CIU = NUNCA
Vota a otras opciones = SIEMPRE

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Hicks (hicks1gb) wrote : Aclaración

LA ABSTENCIÓN:
No votar no tiene NINGÚN efecto en las elecciones. Es simplemente un voto
menos a contar y a repartir. En ninguna parte de la constitución dice que si
hay un X% de abstención pase nada... repito NO VOTAR TIENE 0 EFECTO y no hay
ninguna ley ni artículo en la constitución que tenga en cuenta la
abstención. Si votaran 5 personas y 3 lo hicieran al PP, éste tendría
mayoría absoluta con todas las de la ley.

VOTO NULO:
El voto nulo no se cuenta. Es equivalente a no votar. Simplemente se
descarta y no se tiene en cuenta para el total de votos emitidos. Es decir
el voto nulo, salvo para creerte original, NO TIENE NINGÚN EFECTO, al igual
que no votar.

VOTO EN BLANCO:
El voto en blanco cuenta de cara al total de votos emitidos, pero no va para
ningún partido concreto. Sin embargo, dado que los partidos tienen que
obtener un mínimo del 3% para obtener representación, los votos en blanco
aumentan la cantidad de votos "de verdad" que necesitan obtener los partidos
pequeños. De tal forma que el voto en blanco PERJUDICA A LOS PARTIDOS
PEQUEÑOS o, dicho de otra forma, FAVORECE A LOS PARTIDOS GRANDES (PPSOE).

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