Clipboard is broken. Gnome must include glipper by default

[LimCore]

For end user it does not matter that there are work around like (install glipper),
for end user simply: clipboard does not work in Ubuntu.

This is a disaster.

User can have some important data in clipboard-only, close the source application, and it's gone!

Such user will totally not care "you should install glipper", he will just loose his data.

To solve this, just install glipper for him - install glipper always for Ubuntu.

This sounds trivial, but in fact this IS a user-data-loss bug. Priority medium imho (especially, as most users that do not research linux/ubuntu will not know about the work around until they loose some data - so its too late)

[Markus Korn (thekorn)]

Hi LimCore,
thank you for reporting this bug.
The behaviour yo are discribing here is not true for all applications, GTK applications have their own clipboard system, for example when you copy text in gedit, close gedit and paste it into a gnome-terminal it works.
However this does not work with applications like firefox.

I'm also not sure that this described behaviour us expected by a significant amount of useres, I for example don't expect a clipboard manager by default, when I close an application I expect to loose all data.

To have glipper installed by default glipper needs to be in main, so please follow the MIR [0] process.

Markus

[0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess

[LimCore (limcore)]

Your point of view assumes that Ubuntu is used by long standing linux user, that did not used Windows nor Mac nor any other system for years.

While, 99%(*) computer users do not care about some "clipboard manager".
(*) because all windows version since like 1998 + all mac os x versions

Users indeed do not "expect 'clipboard manager'" - they just do not know nor care what in the god's name this 'clipboard manager' thing is,
they just want to not loose the content of clipboard.

If this would be a distro for advanced users like gentoo or something, then sure, its just a low/wishilist.

But if this is "for human beings" and aimed as new comers to linux world (coming from windows or mac os x in 99% cases), the only logical conclusion is that this behavior is unexpected.

[Chris Coulson (chrisccoulson)]

We're not going to include anything on the default install which hasn't had a single release since 2007, and is completely unmaintained upstream

[LimCore (limcore)]

Chris, then I think we need to find another way to find a working solution for the users.

Seriously, clipboard should Just Work [without silly restrictions of not closing source application], otherwise we are like 15 years behind other desktops.

[Michael Nagel (nailor)]

the thing is:
nobody wants backup. it sucks.
but many people want restore...

(nearly) nobody wants/needs a clipboard manager.
but many people want/expect a working implementation of copy&paste -- and yes, this includes pasting things copied from closed applications.

i agree with chris coulson -- glipper is not/no longer ready for prime time.
however there is klipper and there is parcellite. with some worl they would be perfect for inclusion.

as suggested here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/11334/comments/63
the thing should be at x-server-level but as this is a complicated/long-lasting fix in the meantime a clipboard manager should be installed per default. i does not have to have history management or a gui at all -- i would even prefer it without one -- but it should make copy and paste "just work". so a stripped down version of parecellite with no irritating gui, a sensible way of dealing with binary data, some minor fixes to applications like the gimp and things would be very ok and we could focus on fixing it in x...

[Michael Nagel (nailor)]

ps: this should probably be marked as duplicate of bug 11334 ...
maybe you should open a task against glipper / parcellite in that bug because imho they are a final solution (affecting x and possibly LOTS of client programs) is implemented...

[LimCore (limcore)]

Michael thanks for the idea; But will that program Just Work for all aplications, or does it require every aplication to be somehow modified before it works correctly?

If it in fact works fully, then sure we can use this / them (klipper, parcellite) instead of glipper.

In fact, glipper seems to be quite buggy anyway (then we might want to remove it one day)

[FMaz (fmaz008)]

This bug has been mark as a duplicate of the bug #11334, called: "MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste"

If this bug still affects you, please use the "This bug affect me too" option to increase the resolution priority:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/11334/+affectsmetoo

The full bug repport can be seen at:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/11334