Troubles booting Ubuntu since Dapper pre-releases (may be USB related?)

[Marc Grosse]

Breezy is running perfectly on my system. Great.
(Asus A8N32-SLI, Athlon64 3000+, ASUS N6200GE, 2GB RAM. hda IDE 40GB, sda and sdb SATA 200GB)

Trying to load dapper flight7 from a live-CD, it stops and freezes defnetly on "mounting root file system".
I see no possibility else than "reset" the system. (!)

Upgrading from Breezy to dapper via upgrade-manager, it works perfectly till rebooting system where it stops and freezes defnetly on "mounting root file system".
System is not bootable anymore!

Seams to be similar to bug 30333 since months, still not solved in dapper flight7?
Any suggestion would be welcome.
Regards

[Marc Grosse (marc-grosse)]

I tried a lot of times different ways and possibilities:
- booting from live-CD: doesn't boot as described
- urgrading from breezy to dapper online via urgrade-manager: this works, dapper runs, but only till restarting systems and it will not boot anymore...
- booting from live-CD but removing "quiet and splash" from F6 command-line: it works and starts live-CD.
Dapper works installed in RAM, but installing on hd, it works till creating partitions: ERROR, not able to create partitions!

That's a new problem I found a few minutes ago: so dapperflight7 is not able to "mount root file system" and not able to create the necessary partitions hda1 (/) and hda5 (swap), even they are present on the hd from previous breezy installation!

Breezy is still running well, dapper was running on previous motherboard ASUS 8N-E but in not running on new ASUS 8N32-SLI.

[Scott James Remnant (Canonical) (canonical-scott)]

Bug doesn't "also" affect Ubuntu

[Chris Wagner (chris-wagner)]

Marc, are you trying to use the 64-bit or 32-bit version of Ubuntu? I've had troubles with the 64-bit version myself (this was on Breezy) and reverted to using the 32-bit version. I suggest you try the other version -- the one that you've not yet tried (unless you tried them both).

[Marc Grosse (marc-grosse)]

Chris

I tried of course also the 32 bit version: same story.
Seams to be really tricky.
Regards

[Marc Grosse (marc-grosse)]

Bingo, I got it!
On the french forum, someone found that removing usb2 support on bios allows to start the live-CD and install it.
That works perfectly. Great.
Once installed and updated with some 380 updates, I restarted my system without USB2 support: great, it works.
Again with USB support from bios, it decompresses LINUX... done but stops defnetly on "booting the kernel"
(kernel is 2.6.15-23)
Hope that will help finally developpers to find the bug.
Thanks to all.
Marc

[Marc Grosse (marc-grosse)]

Seams to be a USB2 support bug in kernel 2.6.15-23

[Marc Grosse (marc-grosse)]

Actually, USB2 devices are not working (of course, disconnected in bios!): printing, scanning...
A lot of user (i'm aware about actually in french forum) are bothered about booting and system freezing at "mounting root file system".
Thank for your precious help.

[Marc Grosse (marc-grosse)]

I saw the user comments on dapper drake forum and possible problems with 64 bits version.
So I installed a 32 version and see, it works, it starts without problem, really great.
Finally, bug is only in 64 bit version!

[erikneudorfer (erik-neudorfer)]

i dont know if this will help anybody but i had the same problem with "mounting root file system" on my dell dimension 8400. After much time spent trying to get the live CD to run i disabled all the SATA drives and mouse and everything else i could think of from the bios. The live cd then booted up perfectly and i installed dapper. All i had to do then is turn everything back on and it works perfectly. The only thing im having trouble with is my second SATA harddrive. Dapper wont start when i turn it back on. any one have any ideas on this?

[Marc Grosse (marc-grosse)]

As I reported, my solution is "remove USB2 support in Bios".
Whatever different solution you found, the problem seams to be in kernel since a loooong time. One can only wait and see!
Regards

[Dennis Kaarsemaker (dennis)]

No need to bump severity

[Chris Wagner (chris-wagner)]

Is this bug still an issue in more recent versions of Ubuntu?

[Marc Grosse (marc-grosse)]

Chris

this problem still exists with 6.10.
Everything was perfect till Dapper when the problem happened, with the same
system, motherdoard, CPU...
Since Dapper, I have this problem. But it seams I was not alone with such
problem or similar booting problems.

Kind regards
Marc

2006/12/21, Chris Wagner <email address hidden>:
>
> Is this bug still an issue in more recent versions of Ubuntu?
>
> --
> Dapper Flight7 live-CD doesn't boot.
> https://launchpad.net/bugs/43950
>

[Chris Wagner (chris-wagner)]

Marc, this bug has become quite messy and confusing. I'm having trouble figuring out what the exact situation is. It sounds like you may even be running into more the one bug...

Anyhow, have you tried other operating systems with your problem computer (e.g., Windows, other Linux distros, etc)? Have you tried swapping out the various pieces of your computer (For example, try swapping out the hard-drive for another, then try the motherboard, ...)?

Thanks.

[Marc Grosse (marc-grosse)]

Chris

There is absolutely no problem such with Windows (there are enough other big
problems with MS!)
I changed hd and reinstalled Dapper from scratch, ugraded to 6.10,
installed 6.10 from scratch, upgraded BIOS... still a problem.
The problem occured changing motherboard from Asus A8N-E to A8N32-SLI Deluxe
I didn't try any other distros, ubuntu is so loverly.

I suggest, just forget this problem, I can live with it, just removing USB
devices during booting operation. Hotpluging afterwards, the systems are
running perfectly well.

Thanks for your efforts and merry Xmas.
Marc

2006/12/21, Chris Wagner <email address hidden>:
>
> Marc, this bug has become quite messy and confusing. I'm having trouble
> figuring out what the exact situation is. It sounds like you may even
> be running into more the one bug...
>
> Anyhow, have you tried other operating systems with your problem
> computer (e.g., Windows, other Linux distros, etc)? Have you tried
> swapping out the various pieces of your computer (For example, try
> swapping out the hard-drive for another, then try the motherboard, ...)?
>
> Thanks.
>
> ** Summary changed:
>
> - Dapper Flight7 live-CD doesn't boot.
> + Troubles booting Ubuntu since Dapper pre-releases (may be USB related?)
>
> --
> Troubles booting Ubuntu since Dapper pre-releases (may be USB related?)
> https://launchpad.net/bugs/43950
>

[Chris Wagner (chris-wagner)]

On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 17:00 +0000, Marc Grosse wrote:
> I suggest, just forget this problem, I can live with it, just removing USB
> devices during booting operation.

Well, if we can locate the problem, that would be better than forgetting
about it. It is likely to bite someone else in the butt, too, and that
user may just decide to go back to Windows ;).

If the problem still exists after switching motherboards, then it seems
likely that the faulty hardware is something that you've been using in
both configurations (that is, with both motherboards). Unless, of
course, these motherboards are both very similar in architecture, and
since this does seem to be related to the USB devices, then it could be
the motherboards... You're not using a separate USB device, are you
(like one that sticks into a PCI slot)?

I think the best thing you could do would be to try some other Linux
distributions to see which of them have the same problem. This would
probably help much in tracking down the problem.

...Or, if you don't want to bother, then we can close out this bug
report.

[Marc Grosse (marc-grosse)]

Chris

sorry, the first motherboard, A8N-E is running well without the problem.

The second one, A8N32-SLI has the problem. (strange indeed, so similar
motherboards)
There is no booting problem when I remove from an USB plug the ICY-box 8 in
1 cardreader.
Pluging it after booting, it runs well.
It's finally a problem about USB at booting.
Hope that can help a bit.
Regards
Marc

2006/12/21, Chris Wagner <email address hidden>:
>
> On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 17:00 +0000, Marc Grosse wrote:
> > I suggest, just forget this problem, I can live with it, just removing
> USB
> > devices during booting operation.
>
> Well, if we can locate the problem, that would be better than forgetting
> about it. It is likely to bite someone else in the butt, too, and that
> user may just decide to go back to Windows ;).
>
> If the problem still exists after switching motherboards, then it seems
> likely that the faulty hardware is something that you've been using in
> both configurations (that is, with both motherboards). Unless, of
> course, these motherboards are both very similar in architecture, and
> since this does seem to be related to the USB devices, then it could be
> the motherboards... You're not using a separate USB device, are you
> (like one that sticks into a PCI slot)?
>
> I think the best thing you could do would be to try some other Linux
> distributions to see which of them have the same problem. This would
> probably help much in tracking down the problem.
>
> ...Or, if you don't want to bother, then we can close out this bug
> report.
>
> --
> Troubles booting Ubuntu since Dapper pre-releases (may be USB related?)
> https://launchpad.net/bugs/43950
>

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[Chris Wagner (chris-wagner)]

On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 18:00 +0000, Marc Grosse wrote:
> There is no booting problem when I remove from an USB plug the ICY-box 8 in
> 1 cardreader.
> Pluging it after booting, it runs well.
> It's finally a problem about USB at booting.

So you are saying that you only have problems when you have this
particular USB device (ICY-box 8-in-1 card reader) plugged in??

[Marc Grosse (marc-grosse)]

That's what I found out by the way. removing this devices.
Why does it stops booting ubuntu while it's running afterwards?
Marc

2006/12/21, Chris Wagner <email address hidden>:
>
> On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 18:00 +0000, Marc Grosse wrote:
> > There is no booting problem when I remove from an USB plug the ICY-box 8
> in
> > 1 cardreader.
> > Pluging it after booting, it runs well.
> > It's finally a problem about USB at booting.
>
> So you are saying that you only have problems when you have this
> particular USB device (ICY-box 8-in-1 card reader) plugged in??
>
> --
> Troubles booting Ubuntu since Dapper pre-releases (may be USB related?)
> https://launchpad.net/bugs/43950
>

[Chris Wagner (chris-wagner)]

On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 19:22 +0000, Marc Grosse wrote:
> That's what I found out by the way. removing this devices.

Does booting fail if you have this device plugged in, while using you
*other* motherboard?

> Why does it stops booting ubuntu while it's running afterwards?

I'm not entirely sure what your asking, but I don't think I know the
answer anyway. :)