Files not added to playlist in desired order

[shiftless]

I have an ID3 tagged album, but the ID3 tags do not include track numbers. The file names, however, do have the track number, and the files appear in the proper order in the directory listing. However, if I drag those files to the playlist, they will be added to the list in alphabetical order according to song name, not in the order they are listed in the directory. This problem occurs even though I am dragging from the Files pane, not from the collection.

NOTE: This is 0.2.14

[Steve Dodier-Lazaro (sidi)]

I don't think this will be "fixed". Indeed, the playlist sorts your songs by name, you can also have it sort them by track number, thus you should add the track number tags with the tag editor and sort your songs by track number.

[shiftless (shiftless)]

The current behavior is wrong and stupid. Any files added to the playlist should ALWAYS be sorted alphabetically by filename, UNLESS the id3 tag contains track numbers, in which case it should be sorted by track number. Amarok and every other music organizer I've tried gets this right. Why should I have to go through my entire music collection to manually add in track numbers, just because the Exaile developers are too lazy to make the program work in a sane and expected manner?

[Steve Dodier-Lazaro (sidi)]

Maybe because some people prefer sorting by title, by composer, by rating,
and not only by filename. But you can also enable the location tab and sort
by location... And setting the track numbers is about 2 or 3 clicks with any
decent tag editor, not so much to ask for flexibiity instead of a behaviour
based on some users' need and not easily customizable.

[shiftless (shiftless)]

Who the hell wants to sort their songs by title when all the songs ARE FROM THE SAME ALBUM? 99% of users, when they add an entire album to their playlist, want it added in whatever order the album creator intended, not according to track title. That's why Exaile works correctly (sorting by track number) when track numbers are present in the ID3 tag. It also works correctly when there are no ID3 tags present at all. It only breaks and works in an unexpected manner when artist/title are the only tags present in the ID3. How can that be considered the correct behavior?

And who wants their songs added sorted by rating? That doesn't make any sense at all. So you add a hundred songs to your list, starting with the lowest rated, crappiest ones first, suffering for an hour listening to crap songs until the quality gradually improves? Or you do the opposite and start with the best songs, then hit the stop button after the quality drops so low you don't want to listen any more? Maybe a tiny fraction of one percent of users might want that behavior.

So that leaves sorting by composer, which certainly makes sense, and can EASILY be done still while still CORRECTLY sorting each album by filename.

Again, every other media player on the planet gets this right, right out of the box. What's Exaile's excuse? Why is it that just about every Gnome application on the planet makes retarded assumptions that 99% of users don't agree with, save for a tiny minority consisting of only the developers themselves? What's wrong with a simple drop down box which asks me how I want new entries sorted by default?

[Adam Olsen (arolsen)]

> The current behavior is wrong and stupid.

You either need to chill out or submit a patch. You are not the one to decide how our application should work *unless* you're willing to get your hands dirty.

While I agree that sorting by filename in the case of no tracknumber tags would be useful, this method of going about DEMANDING bugs is not the way to get it done.

[shiftless (shiftless)]

No, it's Steve's attitude that needs to change, not mine. I went out of my way to file this BUG report, to help improve YOUR software, and all I'm getting is static in return. I am a typical user who'd love to see Exaile become something as useful as Amarok 1.4, since Amarok 2 is garbage. Instead of listening to what I'm trying to say, Steve wants to sit there and argue with me for hours saying I'm wrong. Bullshit. I understand good user interfaces, having written plenty of them myself for the likes of the U.S. Army, Department of Defense, etc. Like I said, every other application on the planet gets this right, why not Exaile? It's little things like this that will relevate your program to the garbage heap after a user experiences enough of it. The current behavior IS wrong, and if people like Steve refuse to understand why it's not the correct way to do things (at least not without giving the user an option), that makes it plain stupid, too. If you can't take criticism of your product then perhaps you're in the wrong business, at least if your claimed business is writing quality software that an AVERAGE USER might enjoying using.

[Adam Olsen (arolsen)]

Please. Use Amarok 2 instead of Exaile.

I believe you misunderstand what the purpose of this project is. We aim to write what WE might enjoy using. If OTHER PEOPLE enjoy using it too, then so be it. We definitely don't deserve berating, and we sure don't owe you anything.

If you walk to the front desk I'm sure our secretary will give you your money back.