[Source+binary removal] kdvi

[Andreas Wenning]

Binary package hint: kdvi

Please remove source:
kdvi
and the binary packages:
kdvi
kdvi-doc-html
from jaunty/universe.

The package was introduced in intrepid because the new kde4 document viewer (okular) was missing inverse dvi search. This functionality is now implemented in okular and available in jaunty. Therefore there is no reason to keep the old kde3 kdvi in the archive.

No rdepends

[Steve Kowalik (stevenk)]

2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO Removing candidates:
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty amd64
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty armel
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty hppa
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty i386
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty ia64
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty lpia
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty powerpc
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty sparc
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi-doc-html 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty amd64
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi-doc-html 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty armel
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi-doc-html 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty hppa
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi-doc-html 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty i386
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi-doc-html 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty ia64
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi-doc-html 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty lpia
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi-doc-html 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty powerpc
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO kdvi-doc-html 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 in jaunty sparc
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO Removed-by: Steve Kowalik
2009-04-09 06:46:14 INFO Comment: Unneeded with new okular, KDE3; LP: #355781
2009-04-09 06:46:15 INFO 17 packages successfully removed.

[Juerg Wullschleger (jurg)]

i don't understand why kdvi has been removed.

- kdvi worked fine with kile, both forward and inverse search.
- in okular (version 0.8.2), it seems that forward search does not work. (or can somebody explain how i can get it working?)
- the rendering in okular seems worse than in kdvi
- okular does not seem to work very stable.

given all these facts, i think the user should have the choice which dvi-viewer he/she wants to use!

[Juerg Wullschleger (jurg)]

here is how to get kdvi back in Jaunty:

Go to:
-> Administration
-> Software Sources
-> Third-Party Software
-> Add...
write "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid universe multiverse"
-> Add Source
-> Close
-> Reload

Then,
-> Administration
-> Synaptic Package Manager
-> Quick search
"kdvi"
check it and then
 -> Apply

done.

[Pablo Angulo (pablo-angulo)]

Is there any side effect to that procedure?
If we add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list, most packages will be found in both repos, those of intrepid and those of jaunty. How will the system choose between both? Always choose jaunty package except if it is only in intrepid?

[Björn Streicher (bstreicher)]

"Always choose jaunty package except if it is only in intrepid" pretty much describes it. Packages with a higher version number (those in the jaunty repository) will always have precedence. As there is no kdvi package in the jaunty repository, the one from the intrepid repository will be taken. So there shouldn't be any severe side effects.

[Pablo Angulo (pablo-angulo)]

Thank you, kile is back to normal!

[Vincenzo Ciancia (vincenzo-ml)]

Okular is not ready for everyday usage. It may be a good pdf viewer, but it is very slow in loading dvi files. Not having kdvi in ubuntu breaks the workflow of latex users. I don't expect okular to have enough manpower to get close to kdvi in the near future, therefore kdvi should be put back.

If you are a developer, reading this, and are considering ignoring this comment, please be honest first: do you work in latex every day? If not, please ask for the opinion of some latex users if you know them, then decide if this issue should be ignored or not. Really, working with kile+okular using dvi is not possible for me; using pdf makes okular faster. But then I loose forward and backward search (w.r.t. kdvi). In that case, I would prefer using evince. Of course installing kile from intrepid is an option but I distaste having to teach users who ask my advice how to do this procedure.

[Vincenzo Ciancia (vincenzo-ml)]

The last sentence is neither correct nor complete. It should read:

"In that case, I would prefer using evince because it reloads documents much faster (and it matters in the specific case of latex). Of course, installing _kdvi_ from intrepid ..."

BTW: as usual, don't get me wrong. E.g. okular is a good tool because it allows for pdf annotations. In a scientific environment this is useful for reviewing papers and I don't have doubts that people will like it a lot. It is the specific use case of frequent document recompiling that makes it the wrong tool in the jaunty (and possibly karmic) time window. I do not have any doubt that it will replace kdvi completely in the future.