firefox asks to open .ppt files in OpenOffice Presentaton, but the program executed is titled "OpenOffice Impress"

[Michael Jones]

I think that consistency is important.

Please see my attached screenshots.

I can provide more information if necessary.

-Mike

[sebek (sebeeek)]

If solution proposed in #232046 is implemented (also proposed as part of hundredpapercuts project), then this bug is not relevant anymore

[Michael Jones (jonesmz)]

@sebek

Fixing the problem, and not one of the symptoms seems like a legitimate purpose to me.

It seems that the Firefox download dialog could use a lot of attention. If the problem is fixed in a way that makes this bug invalid, that satisfies my needs perfectly.

Let me know if I can help any.

[Chris Cheney (ccheney)]

What should be done here really?

We change the name of the OpenOffice.org applications that they are known by everywhere outside of Ubuntu in the "Applications" menu. To fully change them everywhere would require changing command line options, the code that displays which view is being used in the titlebar of the application, as there is only one real application being run 'soffice', the name of the binaries themselves, every reference to the application name in the help documentation, etc.

I am not sure that this is actually a good use of time.

Any comments?

[Wouter Stomp (wouterstomp-deactivatedaccount)]

I have never seen Openoffice.org Presentation anywhere else before. Isn't is always called Impress?

[Chris Cheney (ccheney)]

Wouter,

Yes.

So I guess my question is whether we should drop our changes to the program names in the "Applications" menu. Then the names would be consistent throughout the applications and also with what everyone else outside Ubuntu calls the OpenOffice.org applications. eg Base, Calc, Draw, Impress, Writer. However, I will not change the naming back in the "Applications" menu without being told to do so by someone in authority (eg the Design Team, etc) as this was changed in Ubuntu long ago, long before I took over maintenance of OpenOffice.org for Ubuntu.

Chris

[Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)]

From watching people trying to find (for example) a word processor program during our user testing, I'm fairly confident that it's important for the Applications menu items to include the terms "Word Processor", "Spreadsheet", etc.

Following the Gnome standard that the menu items for non-trivial applications should include both their brand name and their basic description, logically the menu items should be "OpenOffice.org Base Database", "OpenOffice.org Calc Spreadsheet", "OpenOffice.org Impress Presentation", and so on. I guess that might be uncomfortably long; perhaps someone could mock it up and see?

[Chris Cheney (ccheney)]

It should be very easy to mockup just modify the /usr/share/applications/openoffice.org-*.desktop files. Once someone on the design team has done this and made a decision about this bug let me know and I can make the needed changes.

Chris

[Michael Jones (jonesmz)]

Chris,

    Is this bug marked as incomplete because the report isn't complete? Or
because your still waiting on input from the design team?

    Sorry if that sounds like a silly question, I'm just a bit confused.

-Mike

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Chris Cheney <email address hidden> wrote:

> ** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
> Status: Confirmed => Incomplete
>
> ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
> Status: Confirmed => Incomplete
>
> --
> firefox asks to open .ppt files in OpenOffice Presentaton, but the program
> executed is titled "OpenOffice Impress"
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/344260
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Incomplete
> Status in “openoffice.org” package in Ubuntu: Incomplete
>
> Bug description:
> I think that consistency is important.
>
> Please see my attached screenshots.
>
> I can provide more information if necessary.
>
> -Mike
>

[Chris Cheney (ccheney)]

Waiting on input from the design team.

[komputes (komputes)]

OpenOffice Impress is the official name of the program. In fact if you take a look at Sun's openoffice.org website you will see that the suite is comprised of writer, calc, impress, draw and base.

http://why.openoffice.org/why_great.html

IMO the fact that we use .desktop files to rename these apps (to simplify/abstract the name) in the application menu, should not stretch into the actual program.

I think consistency is important too, but I feel it should work the other way around. The programs should be called what its developers named it. I know my opinion will probably be unpopular among usability professionals but I think branding the suite the way it was intended (writer, calc, impress, draw) is the way to go. The functionality that the application provides already shows up in the tooltip. I don't think we should expect the OOo to change the actual program names just to be consistent with what we chose to name these apps in the gnome application menu.

My vote is to either keep it as is, or rename the menu entries to the original OOo names.

[David Siegel (djsiegel-deactivatedaccount)]

Design considerations were not provided in a timely manner and a quick change here could result in another change of mind later on so I am removing this paper cut.

It would be great to get upstream involved here. I also concur with Matthew.

[Chris Cheney (ccheney)]

I don't think we will be able to convince upstream to rename their application. At least for Base/Draw/Writer it has been called that for around 25 years. Switching Ubuntu back to using the official names of the programs would be the only real solution to this issue.

[Robert Roth (evfool)]

Is this really Triaged? The bug status wiki page says: Use this when you are confident that it should be looked at by a developer and has enough information. I don't think this page contains enough information about how this bug should be fixed. Or does it?

[Vish (vish)]

@Robert Roth , Chris Cheney was the maintainer of OOo.org Ubuntu package, so he would have been the one fixing the bug. ;)
Incomplete would just expire the bug. Lets leave it at confirmed for now.

Anyhoo.. not sure this bug might be fixed in OO0 , maybe we need to look at LibO.

[Björn Michaelsen (bjoern-michaelsen)]

[This is an automated message.]
There are no new official OpenOffice.org releases in Ubuntu packaging anymore => Won't Fix

If the problem persists, please mark this bug as "also affects project Libreoffice" or "also affects distribution Libreoffice (Ubuntu)" if that has not happened already.

Please leave references to upstream OpenOffice.org bugs in place to allow cross pollination.