frisians need balancing

Bug #1765746 reported by hessenfarmer on 2018-04-20
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Bug Description

the new Frisian tribe needs balancing with regard to the other tribes.

Topics for improvement are:
- buildcost: as the Frisians need a lot of buildings which consume much and expensive materials
- production speed: at least the farm but perhaps other buildings as well are producing to slow
- Training costs: the frisians consume a lot of ressources for training soldiers which is not compensated enough for by recycling.

Other topics might be not discovered yet.

Forum discussion: https://wl.widelands.org/forum/topic/4232/

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :

here are the current costs of training for all tribes
frisians definitely need too much coal and too much gold as well.

hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :

Excel now contains a second Frisian tribe to experiment with
First suggestions to improve the values are marked with yellow

Changed in widelands:
assignee: nobody → hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz)
tags: added: balancing
GunChleoc (gunchleoc) on 2018-04-21
tags: added: tribes
Changed in widelands:
milestone: none → build20-rc1
GunChleoc (gunchleoc) on 2018-04-21
description: updated
hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :

Here is the second Excel sheet dealing with the build costs of every tribe. I have accumulated the build costs of every single building. Afterwards I have splitted up refined material in the cheapest basic materials available in the economy. Afterwards I modified the build cost in the following way:

for every size(small Medium Big) or type (warehouse, barracks, etc.) of buildings the needed wares should be comparable due to the resulting build times. The needed basic material should be comparable as well. Therefore I reduced the costs for brick a little.

For the Military I just compared the area conquered with the needed Building material and the current values looked comparable to the other tribes. I just needed to reduce the cost for the frisian tower otherwise it would be a totally useless building.

Only thing missing currently is the number of how many buildings of each type is needed for an economy which will support the production of heroes. In this section I could need some help from advanced players.

Changed in widelands:
status: New → In Progress
hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :

ok here is the mine efficiency excel. In contrary to the other excel sheets the yellow background does not contain suggestions from my side but spots were I noticed strange values. This is spread all over the tribes and barbarians are not really much worse than the others if we ignore the vallue wares per dug ressource.

hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :

changed some wrong values due to forum inputs

hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :

as the soldier gets equipped with a second sword and no weapon is scraped the first round of advanced training in the arena doesn't deliver any scrap.

hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :
  • BuildCost.xlsx Edit (28.9 KiB, application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet)

some small changes to reflect forum discussion

hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :

I got the mechanism of scraping weapons and now wrong corrected that.

hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :
hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :
hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :

Added some calcualtions about times to produce and to consume weapons and the resulting buildings that need to be build to the training sheet.

hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :
  • training.xlsx Edit (17.9 KiB, application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet)

small chnage in production time of helmet

hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :

added new mine Efficiency overview incorporating the Changes made by WorldSavior

hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :

new values about the calculations regarding needed supply of weapons for training sites due to changes in the other tribes weapon production

hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :

excel sheet with vba to calculate soldier fighting values

hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :
hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote :

Although there will be no further commits for b20 I'd like to keep this bug open.
I have retargeted it to b21 though

Changed in widelands:
milestone: build20-rc1 → build21-rc1
GunChleoc (gunchleoc) wrote :

Agreed!

I also have some new files from WorldSavior that I need to create a branch for.

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