Incorrect message when no music/videos has been played

[Michael Terry]

Binary package hint: unity-place-files

When I go into the Files place and then the Audio tab, I get a message that says "There are no audio files in your Home folder" or some such. But I have lots of audio files in my home folder (well, my Music folder)!

What it *should* say is "You have not played any audio files from your Home folder", because once I do play one directly by browsing, it shows up in the audio tab. Note that playing files from rhythmbox does not seem to be sufficient.

So, (A) rhythmbox played files should show up I think? (B), it would be nice if the Audio tab showed all audio files present, whether played or not as a backup or in addition to the time-based view. (C) the message should be clearer. I was worried that either my music was gone or that the Place couldn't find them for some reason.

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.10
Package: unity-place-files 0.5.26-0ubuntu1
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.35-22.33-generic 2.6.35.4
Uname: Linux 2.6.35-22-generic x86_64
Architecture: amd64
Date: Thu Sep 23 21:30:04 2010
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release amd64 (20100429)
ProcEnviron:
 PATH=(custom, user)
 LANG=en_US.utf8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: unity-place-files

[Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen (kamstrup)]

I tend to agree that the message is misleading, I just blindly followed the orders of the design team :-)

I think we should reevaluate these strings for Natty.

[Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen (kamstrup)]

@Michael: Can I get you to file another bug about the fact that songs played in Rhythmbox doesn't show up? Also the songs I downloaded with U1 should definitely go there imho.

[Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)]

 On 24/09/10 08:37, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
> I tend to agree that the message is misleading, I just blindly followed
> the orders of the design team :-)

I'm not convinced those orders included "ignore files that have never
been opened" ;-)

[Seif Lotfy (seif)]

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <
<email address hidden>> wrote:

> @Michael: Can I get you to file another bug about the fact that songs
> played in Rhythmbox doesn't show up? Also the songs I downloaded with U1
> should definitely go there imho.
>
> --
> Incorrect message when no music/videos has been played
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/646511
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> Status in Unity Files Place: Triaged
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> Bug description:
> Binary package hint: unity-place-files
>
> When I go into the Files place and then the Audio tab, I get a message that
> says "There are no audio files in your Home folder" or some such. But I
> have lots of audio files in my home folder (well, my Music folder)!
>
> What it *should* say is "You have not played any audio files from your Home
> folder", because once I do play one directly by browsing, it shows up in the
> audio tab. Note that playing files from rhythmbox does not seem to be
> sufficient.
>
> So, (A) rhythmbox played files should show up I think? (B), it would be
> nice if the Audio tab showed all audio files present, whether played or not
> as a backup or in addition to the time-based view. (C) the message should
> be clearer. I was worried that either my music was gone or that the Place
> couldn't find them for some reason.
>
> ProblemType: Bug
> DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.10
> Package: unity-place-files 0.5.26-0ubuntu1
> ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.35-22.33-generic 2.6.35.4
> Uname: Linux 2.6.35-22-generic x86_64
> Architecture: amd64
> Date: Thu Sep 23 21:30:04 2010
> InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release amd64 (20100429)
> ProcEnviron:
> PATH=(custom, user)
> LANG=en_US.utf8
> SHELL=/bin/bash
> SourcePackage: unity-place-files
>
>
>
We have the Rhythmbox plugin which is very stable and uses libzeitgeist. We
can modify it to capture download events for songs too :)
We should look into shipping some dataproviders with Natty.

[Seif Lotfy (seif)]

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Mark Shuttleworth <
<email address hidden>> wrote:

> On 24/09/10 08:37, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
> > I tend to agree that the message is misleading, I just blindly followed
> > the orders of the design team :-)
>
> I'm not convinced those orders included "ignore files that have never
> been opened" ;-)
>
> --
> Incorrect message when no music/videos has been played
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/646511
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to unity-
> place-files.
>
> Status in Unity: Triaged
> Status in Unity Files Place: Triaged
> Status in “unity-place-files” package in Ubuntu: Triaged
>
> Bug description:
> Binary package hint: unity-place-files
>
> When I go into the Files place and then the Audio tab, I get a message that
> says "There are no audio files in your Home folder" or some such. But I
> have lots of audio files in my home folder (well, my Music folder)!
>
> What it *should* say is "You have not played any audio files from your Home
> folder", because once I do play one directly by browsing, it shows up in the
> audio tab. Note that playing files from rhythmbox does not seem to be
> sufficient.
>
> So, (A) rhythmbox played files should show up I think? (B), it would be
> nice if the Audio tab showed all audio files present, whether played or not
> as a backup or in addition to the time-based view. (C) the message should
> be clearer. I was worried that either my music was gone or that the Place
> couldn't find them for some reason.
>
> ProblemType: Bug
> DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.10
> Package: unity-place-files 0.5.26-0ubuntu1
> ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.35-22.33-generic 2.6.35.4
> Uname: Linux 2.6.35-22-generic x86_64
> Architecture: amd64
> Date: Thu Sep 23 21:30:04 2010
> InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release amd64 (20100429)
> ProcEnviron:
> PATH=(custom, user)
> LANG=en_US.utf8
> SHELL=/bin/bash
> SourcePackage: unity-place-files
>
>
>
I am not sure how this issue can be covered.
My only thought for that would be to scan the Music Directory and take the
timestamps of all the music files in there and push events with these
timestamp to Zeitgeist. But its not really a solution that should be done on
the Zeitgeist side.

[Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen (kamstrup)]

Mark - right they didn't :-) The problem is twofold:

 * The current Files Place UI is especially designed for browsing your history - not for discovering new files (with the exception of the Favorite Folders and Downloads groups on the front page).

 * Crawling the ~/Music directory (or really g_get_user_special_dir (G_USER_DIRECTORY_MUSIC) to respect the xdg specs) is quite a dangerous thing to do without negatively impacting the system responsiveness. Of course it can be done, but is non-trvial to get right.

What we could consider for Natty:

 * Use MPRIS2 to pre-populate it using the playlist API
 * Or even simpler, just sticking a button/link in the top of the Files/Audio that launch your music player
 * Or simplest of all, putting a link for ~/Music in the Audio section.
 * Or a clever combination of all of the above

[Michael Terry (mterry)]

As requested, I opened bug 646790 about the "files from Rhythmbox don't show up" issue. This bug can continue just being about the phrasing and whether music that has not actually been played should also show up.

[Alex Launi (alexlauni)]

This bug is awaiting design feedback before progress can be made. Confirming that there is a question to be answered. Will be marked triage when design gives a suitable direction forward.

[Omer Akram (om26er)]

Per unity bug convention this report should be marked as incomplete till we get response from Design

[Omer Akram (om26er)]

That is not an issue anymore in 12.04