well, I woudn't say negativist, but.. I think the power issue is a bit overblown. even in the inital bug report for this, Natty was like 15 percent more power hungry than the older versions. And - this is not unique to Natty, or Ubuntu.. if you look around there are bug reports for this exact bug on Fedora, Debian, I think I even saw this in Gentoo and Arch as well. Most of the effort I see Ubuntu developers working on are usability and GUI improvements, and don't discount the work they do to enhance the stock debian packages to make Ubuntu as stable as possible. the Power utilization is higher, true, newer kernels do not have as much of a problem, and there is the option to force the pcie_aspm to work like it used to, so there is no functionality lost. It is a bit of a cludge, but you should expect that when running the latest and more bleeding edge stuff. Before you start assuming that there is a major disconnect with the guys at ubuntu though, try out the latest Fedora.. notice anything? Power issues are the same, and they have this fancy new GUI also, only it is Gnome 3.0 - I'm not saying either one is better, but there are more similarities than differences that I have found. But lately Gnome has ticked me off too much - you have LESS options to customize and tune than Unity or others. I used fedora for maybe a week, reinstalled Natty and have been happy since. If you don't like either one, and want something more flexible or whatever, try the alternatives. KDE is looking really good these days, might be the prettiest GUI I have ever seen, and now it really seems usable, how funny that a year ago, everyone was preaching doom and gloom on the changes from KDE old to KDE new. I will also say that Ubuntu is one of the more stable and easy to use distros out there, they don't take away my insatiable desire to tinker with the guts of it. And I don't see any other OS that is as easy to add other devices to now. Windows is a pain in the @#$@ to get some new device on there, what with the installers that HP wants you to use so you can't just install the damn thing, - I have to also add your bloated replacement for stuff that windows can already do, and other issues.. Macs might "just work," but only if you use their stuff.. A PC would just work too if I only had maybe 20 or so things I could plug into it.. anyway I have veered way off the subject.. hope I don't sound too trollish.. On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:01 PM, florin