if it is that easy to bring back the old behavior and make the icon
appear again when updates are availble while keeping the new
notification i think it should be done untill rethinking of the concept
will be done

On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 18:58 +0000, ddumont wrote:
> While this will solve *my* problem...    I still think it is a mistake in
> general to annoy regular users with this new behaviour.   More and more
> people are finding out about this, how many people subscribing to this bug
> will it take to force the developers' hands?
> 
> I don't understand the problem with users not understanding what the update
> icon looks like... if anything that signifies a failure at giving the user
> sufficient visual queues to learn about the OS.  For those people who HAVE
> learned about the OS and DO recognize the update icon...  they will miss it
> and be upset...
> 
> Why must you upset them...
> 
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Jonathan Davies <
> <email address hidden>> wrote:
> 
> > > Exactly what it do? It says seen that it will not launch automatically
> > 'anything', but I would just
> > > want the old notification behavior where it launch just the 'notification
> > icon' near 'clock, etc.'.
> >
> > That's exactly what the command does, it changes the gconf settings for
> > the update-notifier's auto launching to false - and this brings back the
> > old behaviour of the icon.
> >
> > --
> > [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> > of the bug.
> >
> > Status in Ubuntu Release Notes: New
> > Status in “update-notifier” source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> > Status in update-notifier in Ubuntu Jaunty: Won't Fix
> >
> > Bug description:
> > I am referring to the removal up the update-notifier in the Gnome
> > notification area.  The discussion of it is embedded in the thread headed
> > by:
> >
> >  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027416.html
> >
> > Specific messages worth reading are:
> >
> >  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027434.html
> >  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027451.html
> >  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027454.html
> >  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027437.html
> >  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027445.html
> >
> > Matthew Paul Thomas says that the desired behavior is:
> >
> > *   When there are security updates, Update Manager will open and show
> >    them (plus any other available updates) within a day.
> >
> > *   When there are non-security updates, Update Manager will open and
> >    show them *one week* after it was last opened (whether it was last
> >    opened manually or automatically, and regardless of whether updates
> >    were actually installed then).
> >
> > *   When there are no available updates, Update Manager will not open
> >    automatically at all.
> >
> > Desired by whom?  And where was discussion of this change that effects the
> > entire Ubuntu community?  Because some percentage of users don't apparently
> > understand that the notification area has meaning, we are not going to use
> > it for updates?  Chow Loong Jin raised a valid point that if update
> > notification is now done by opening the entire update manager program,
> > perhaps evolution and similar should open their application UIs rather than
> > use the notification area.  And there are concerns about unintended
> > functional consequences of this ill-conceived change, discussed in the
> > thread.
> >
> > Personally, I predict that opening the Update Manager window while people
> > are working will piss off a lot of users when it happens, and may result in
> > them wanting to disable automatic checking.  Yes, that'll be highly
> > desirable, won't it?
> >
> > In other words, this change should be corrected, and a notification icon
> > should be displayed when updates are available.
> >
> 
> -- 
> [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
> 
> Status in Ubuntu Release Notes: New
> Status in “update-notifier” source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in update-notifier in Ubuntu Jaunty: Won't Fix
> 
> Bug description:
> I am referring to the removal up the update-notifier in the Gnome notification area.  The discussion of it is embedded in the thread headed by:
> 
>   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027416.html
> 
> Specific messages worth reading are:
> 
>   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027434.html
>   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027451.html
>   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027454.html
>   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027437.html
>   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027445.html
> 
> Matthew Paul Thomas says that the desired behavior is:
> 
> *   When there are security updates, Update Manager will open and show
>     them (plus any other available updates) within a day.
> 
> *   When there are non-security updates, Update Manager will open and
>     show them *one week* after it was last opened (whether it was last
>     opened manually or automatically, and regardless of whether updates
>     were actually installed then).
> 
> *   When there are no available updates, Update Manager will not open
>     automatically at all.
> 
> Desired by whom?  And where was discussion of this change that effects the entire Ubuntu community?  Because some percentage of users don't apparently understand that the notification area has meaning, we are not going to use it for updates?  Chow Loong Jin raised a valid point that if update notification is now done by opening the entire update manager program, perhaps evolution and similar should open their application UIs rather than use the notification area.  And there are concerns about unintended functional consequences of this ill-conceived change, discussed in the thread.
> 
> Personally, I predict that opening the Update Manager window while people are working will piss off a lot of users when it happens, and may result in them wanting to disable automatic checking.  Yes, that'll be highly desirable, won't it?
> 
> In other words, this change should be corrected, and a notification icon should be displayed when updates are available.