no update-notifier in xubuntu default install (was: no updates shown in system tray on xubuntu)

[Johan Ryberg]

Binary package hint: synaptic

In Xubuntu the Synaptic is not shown in system tray then new updates are about to be installed.

I have it checked to update every day and also download but not install. I have never been asked to install updates and I must check manually.

ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: i386
Date: Fri Mar 2 18:12:03 2007
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 7.04
ExecutablePath: /usr/sbin/synaptic
Package: synaptic 0.57.11.1ubuntu9
ProcCmdline: /usr/sbin/synaptic
ProcCwd: /home/rancor
ProcEnviron:
 PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: synaptic
Uname: Linux rancor-laptop 2.6.20-9-generic #2 SMP Mon Feb 26 03:01:44 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux

[Sebastian Heinlein (glatzor)]

could you please attach the 10periodic and 15adpet-periodic file from /etc/apt/apt.conf.d?

Did you install also adept?

Thanks,

Sebastian

[Johan Ryberg (jryberg)]

There was no file called "15adpet-periodic"

Full list of files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
  * 01ubuntu
  * 05aptitude
  * 10periodic
  * 50unattended-upgrades
  * 70debconf

adept is not installed. I did not know that I had to install it.

I installed Xubuntu Herd2 from CD and have updated to this point and I have never got any notification that I have to install it.

I did got a message box that I should check Synaptic and mark automatic updates in repositories and I thought that it would fix the problem.

This may be a thing to add to Xubuntu by default?!

[Johan Ryberg (jryberg)]

bump!

Is this a bug or a "feature"?

[Michael Vogt (mvo)]

It looks like a bug.

Can you please run:
$ ls -l /var/lib/apt/periodic/

and attach the output here?

Thanks,
 Michael

PS adept is not required, Sebastian just wanted to make sure that we have all the information that may be relevant.

[Johan Ryberg (jryberg)]

Hi, this is my output of "ls -l /var/lib/apt/periodic/"

rancor@rancor-laptop:~$ ls -l /var/lib/apt/periodic/
total 0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-03-05 17:25 autoclean-stamp
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-03-05 17:25 download-upgradeable-stamp
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-03-04 21:59 update-stamp
rancor@rancor-laptop:~$

I just started the computer and did this at once. I haven't used this since the 5th of mars.

[Michael Vogt (mvo)]

Thanks for this additional information.

It looks like it tries to run the update. What is the output of:
"ls -l /var/lib/apt/periodic/ /var/lib/apt/lists"

Thanks,
 Michael

[Johan Ryberg (jryberg)]

rancor@rancor-laptop:~$ ls -l /var/lib/apt/periodic/ /var/lib/apt/lists
/var/lib/apt/lists:
total 31428
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-backports_main_source_Sources
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-backports_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-backports_multiverse_source_Sources
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19621 2006-11-01 14:24 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-backports_Release
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 191 2006-11-01 14:24 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-backports_Release.gpg
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-backports_restricted_binary-i386_Packages
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-backports_restricted_source_Sources
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-backports_universe_binary-i386_Packages
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-backports_universe_source_Sources
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6191732 2007-03-21 16:16 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty_main_binary-i386_Packages
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1851875 2007-03-21 16:23 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty_main_source_Sources
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 663224 2007-03-21 16:17 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 226827 2007-03-21 16:26 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty_multiverse_source_Sources
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-proposed_main_binary-i386_Packages
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-proposed_main_source_Sources
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-proposed_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-proposed_multiverse_source_Sources
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19619 2006-11-01 14:24 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-proposed_Release
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 191 2006-11-01 14:24 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-proposed_Release.gpg
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-proposed_restricted_binary-i386_Packages
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-proposed_restricted_source_Sources
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-proposed_universe_binary-i386_Packages
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-11-01 14:12 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty-proposed_universe_source_Sources
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 57158 2007-03-21 16:34 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty_Release
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 191 2007-03-21 16:34 archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty_Release.gpg
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root...

[Michael Vogt (mvo)]

Thanks a lot.

Could you please check if the update-notifier application is runing on your system? Maybe xubuntu does not honor /etc/xdg/autostart and that is why its not there?

Thanks,
 Michael

[Johan Ryberg (jryberg)]

I looked and there was no update-notifier installed. I used Synaptic and installed it.

I thought this was supposed to be a standard utility to insure that the system was up to date but I have only used Ubuntu before, not Xubuntu. Maybe Xubuntu does not include this app by default?

[Michael Vogt (mvo)]

Right, xubuntu does not include the update-notifier application in its default install. I reassign to xubuntu desktop as a whishlist bug.

[Jani Monoses (jani)]

update-notifier depends on gnome-vfs and libgnomeui, thus it is not in the default xubuntu install. Both of those dependencies are replaceable (by gamin and eggsmclient) it just did not happen yet, I hope I'll have time for feisty+1.

[Johan Ryberg (jryberg)]

I thanks every body for the help and time spent on my "bug".

Dear Jani.

I think this is very important issue due the security risk of a unpatched system and I think a big portion of the responsibility leis at the developers of the OS and in this case the Xubuntu team.

I'm sorry that I don't have the knowledge of helping you to build a native XFCE application for this purpose.

It must not be advanced as update-notifier but some how just give the users a notification to run Synaptic if there is important upgrades available.

Regards rancor

[Pappero Papperone (uaoooo-deactivatedaccount-deactivatedaccount)]

>It must not be advanced as update-notifier but some how just give the users a
>notification to run Synaptic if there is important upgrades available.

So what's best? Patch update notifier to remove gnome deps or write it from scratch?

[Johan Ryberg (jryberg)]

I haven't written a single line of C since school but I hope there is a security and user friendly coder out there what will fix this security issue. There are still a lot of low performance computer that needs XFCE or similar window manager with users that are not skilled enough to patch their system. They need something that rings the bell and tells them to update.

[Pappero Papperone (uaoooo-deactivatedaccount-deactivatedaccount)]

I'm willing to do it as long as the update-notifier is written in C.
If so can you please provide me a link where to download the
sources?

[Lionel Le Folgoc (mrpouit)]

This is in the latest xubuntu-desktop and should be in the gutsy daily CDs.