Comment 415 for bug 332945

In what way will the way the pop under change in the way it is
presented? It really doesn't matter how it is presented, if it pops up
in the "users" space it is going to be hated by most people. Media
center PC's, presentations, people doing real work will always find it a
huge annoyance if it uses the user program space (the desktop) in any
fashion short of checking that the PC has been idle for at least a
couple of hours and that no media types are playing.

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> mac_v wrote:
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>> The notification area icon is *not* returning...
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> That's not true. The notification area icon is probably not returning
> for the next release of Ubuntu, but in 2 or 3 years time, when
> "everybody" will have forgotten, there's nothing to prevent it to be
> reintroduced as a groundbreaking "new" feature in Ubuntu. It just needs
> the "designer" to change his mind (unless the idea to "test" it in
> Jaunty was just for show, and the "designer" actually only care to get
> his feature implemented), or just move on to another job. It might take
> more time, maybe 5 to 10 years, but saying it will not return is a bit
> far-fetched.
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> And saying that saving 20x20 pixel (the notification area icon) is an
> issue only to waste far more space on the bottom panel (Window List) and
> on the desktop is certainly a design issue that needs to be rethought.
> Since it doesn't use the notification icon, the new behavior actually
> has to use the Windows List AND the desktop as huge notification areas -
> they're not designed for this task, and misusing desktop features is
> certainly a bigger design issue.
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> [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new
> update-manager behaviour is annoying
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
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> Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: New
> Status in NULL Project: Fix Released
> Status in “update-notifier” package in Ubuntu: Won't Fix
> Status in update-notifier in Ubuntu Jaunty: Won't Fix
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> Bug description:
> I am referring to the removal up the update-notifier in the Gnome
> notification area. The discussion of it is embedded in the thread headed
> by:
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> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027416.html
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> Specific messages worth reading are:
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> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027434.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027451.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027454.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027437.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027445.html
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> Matthew Paul Thomas says that the desired behavior is:
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> * When there are security updates, Update Manager will open and show
> them (plus any other available updates) within a day.
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> * When there are non-security updates, Update Manager will open and
> show them *one week* after it was last opened (whether it was last
> opened manually or automatically, and regardless of whether updates
> were actually installed then).
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> * When there are no available updates, Update Manager will not open
> automatically at all.
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> Desired by whom? And where was discussion of this change that effects the
> entire Ubuntu community? Because some percentage of users don't apparently
> understand that the notification area has meaning, we are not going to use
> it for updates? Chow Loong Jin raised a valid point that if update
> notification is now done by opening the entire update manager program,
> perhaps evolution and similar should open their application UIs rather than
> use the notification area. And there are concerns about unintended
> functional consequences of this ill-conceived change, discussed in the
> thread.
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> Personally, I predict that opening the Update Manager window while people
> are working will piss off a lot of users when it happens, and may result in
> them wanting to disable automatic checking. Yes, that'll be highly
> desirable, won't it?
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> In other words, this change should be corrected, and a notification icon
> should be displayed when updates are available.
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> The window currently opens far too often when security updates are
> available: this is because of bug 369198, which is awaiting testing before
> it can be fixed in Ubuntu 9.04.
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> To disable the new behaviour and get the old behaviour:
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> gconftool -s --type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false
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> (Take into account that this gconf change is not supported.)
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> To have the update manager launch immediately when updates are available,
> use this:
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> gconftool -s --type int
> /apps/update-notifier/regular_auto_launch_interval 0
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