Steve Dodier wrote:
> 
> Imo, it should be ok to use a notify-osd notification + a systray icon for
> updates as soon as they're available, and to pop-up the window only on
> extreme cases :
> 

@ Steve:
The pop-up window seems like a reasonable option in the scenario's
you've given... But i feel that automatic Pop-ups in any form should be
discouraged...

IMO pop-up/under are a security flaw. NO window Should populate the
window list unless the user has opened it...
[A Daemon process should NOT open new programs on its own without asking
for user's permissions or explicit user settings]

A better alternative would be a Notification system that allows
interaction/ morphing alert box [So these could present the user with
the options to either download&Install now or To dismiss]

*And repeating the notifications at the time of user's choice*...
which makes the need for a systray icon[as a remainder] unnecessary.

Also the DX team has made it very clear that systray icon WILL NOT return...

I had been very vocal here opposing the change but i went with it...
And *even though it might not have been the intended purpose* for the
removal of the icon, *I have found the icon removal useful* ...
*Now I dont think much about the updates* , there is no icon nagging me
about the updates.

Just think about the "Updates" , its just a sugar-coated word for
"oops-the-devs-didnt-realize-this-mistake-earlier" , Updates are for the
flaws which wasnt realized while baking the release... and to be fair to
all devs ,no OS can EVER do it perfectly without a need for updates.

So, instead of drawing so much attention to these updates , making it
easy for the end-user to not pay much attention is a more ideal way of
thinking.

As mpt has said that they are looking for a decent solution,This is what
i'v proposed in Ayatana, with Hopes the DX Team takes notice
==For updates to be less intrusive to the user==

    * From an idea proposed by David Siegel , And further expanding it....

      When the user receives the updates notification,user "chooses to
download & Install the packages" ,
    * Installation of Updates the dont require restart are done immediately,
    * Before starting the installation of package+dependencies, which
requires a restart, the user is warned that this particular package
requires a reboot.
    * User either chooses, "install now" or "during next boot" .

For good implementation of this, updates need to be clearly marked as
1:security
2:critical>solves a major crash/freeze issue of the package / major
improvement of package responsiveness
3:non-critical>minor tweaks to performance

So when the user is presented with the update requiring reboot,he is
told that [1]"This update solves a crash/freeze problem seen in this
package/Gives you major improvement of package responsiveness" [2] "This
update is a non-critical update" [3] "This is a security Update"

    * So the user decides , if he has the problem, he can do the update
immediately... If not, delay it for the next boot.
    * If the user later decides to update before the reboot, he should
be able to do so from the update manager, where a reminder says"Install
pending updates".
    * The same can be done for the firefox updates too... download the
updates when the user accepts and since it requires restart of the
browser , WAIT till the browser is closed and then install the updates.
So no need to restart the browser.

    * When the user has chosen not to download updates , These
notification repeat again at a later
time[10mins/30mins/1hr/4hrs/1day/7days],which the user chooses from a
drop-down menu and if the user tries to shutdown before updating he is
reminded again via the same alerts.


Cheers,
mac_v