Arne Goetje 写道:
> Wenzhuo Zhang wrote:
>> Pan, Shi Zhu wrote:
>>> Just be curious, what is the definition of "where the same style is
>>> expected"?
>> Common sense, or resemblance to what you see in Windows.
> 
> Which version of Windows are you talking about?

Any Simplified Chinese version.

> And why is it common sense to enforce one font style only? At least here
> in Taiwan most chinese newspapers use a Hei Ti font for the headings and
> a Song/Ming Ti font for the rest of the article texts. Therefor I don't
> see what's wrong with webpages which prefer different font styles for
> different parts of the website... this is mostly done to have a visual
> distinction between the different parts of the website and is fully
> intended.

It's my habbit as well. The problem here is that web pages belonging to the same website section use different fonts for the same part of page bodies. It's indeed because website authors do not specify font families in some pages while specifying one for others.

However, since you (CJK team) made UMing the preferred font for SimSun or "宋体", why cannot you make ZenHei the preferred font for these common Chinese font aliases after making the decision to include WQY ZenHei as the preferred font for sans-serif?

> If you don't like that, I suggest that you either ask the website author
> why he has done so, or change the settings on your local computer. There
> are a number of ways to prefer UMing as the default font for everything,
> starting from editing the font preferences in your browser, to just
> removing the package from your system.

You don't really seem to understand the problem here. - I know how to change font settings and I've done so already. By opening a bug report here and discussing with you, I meant to see Ubuntu constantly improving as a product. Specifically, I hope Chinese users can comfortable use a default install of Ubuntu, without having to manually edit any configuration files.

>> If you choose Zen Hei as the default font, make sure it is in the most
>> preferred font for some common Chinese font aliases as well.
> 
>> I have tried my best to get used to Zen Hei. I had to remove
>> conf.d/63-wqy-zenhei.conf mainly because 1) 14px makes a big difference
>> than 13px on a 12" XGA LCD; 2) the width of Latin character glyphs in
>> Zen Hei doesn't seem to match that of CJK characters.
> 
> Latin characters usually don't have the same width like CJK glyphs.
> Either they are Monospaced and therefor half the width of a CJK glyph,
> or they are proportional and don't fit at all to CJK glyph widths. Most
> Western fonts are proportional and even on Windows, you will find that
> the SimSun and MingLiU Chinese fonts come in two versions, one with
> Monospaced Latin glyphs and the other with Proportional Latin glyphs.
> 
> In short, if you don't like ZenHei, just remove it from your system.
> It's as easy as that.
> 
> 
> As a more general note:
> It will be impossible to find a font setting that fits everyone! People
> just have different preferences, regarding default font for the
> languages they use in various locale environments, whether or not
> bitmaps, anti-aliasing, hinting, etc. should be used or even which
> hinting level for which font and which application is preferred. And of
> course people have different screens (LCD or CRT) and different
> screensizes and resolutions and therefor prefer different font settings.
> So, for the distribution we try to give the users an acceptable default
> setting. And as many users prefer a Hei Ti font for their desktop, we
> chose to include WQY ZenHei and set it as preferred font for sans-serif.
> And if any user, including you, does not like that, he is free to change
> his local settings. But I and many others do not agree with the claim
> that it should be expected to have only one Chinese font visible on the
> system. Even Windows come with a multitude of Chinese fonts installed by
> default. And if websites request the rendering to be done by serif,
> sans-serif fonts or a mixture of them, it will surely be done so.
> 
> Just my 2 NT$...

Change font setting is the first thing I do after installing/upgrading Ubuntu. It's boring although not too difficult. As a Ubuntu user, I wish it could provide universally acceptable default settings so that typical users won't have to manually change anything before they start using Ubuntu comfortably.

Deleting WQY ZenHei is not a good idea because it would break package dependancy, and also because it's good to have it in your system.

Instead, I suggest prompting the users whether they'd like to install ZenHei as the default font post-install. A high priority question "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh ttf-wqy-zenhei" is suitable here. It's good to keep users choice in /etc/default/.

Wenzhuo