Thanks to Aaron for setting this bug to /confirmed/ at last. On 2009-12-03 02:54, C de-Avillez wrote : > Well. I got here via André's email to BugSquad. Some comments and > requests: Thanks for coming, C. > 0. Being aggressive does not help. I'm not aggressive at all. I'm very calmly coming back from solving another bug with a developer. *2 days 4 hours* from my filing the bug to his fix *in the distribution*. We did a great job and we waved a see you back. I horribly feel like losing my time with this case in comparison. I counted I could have solved 15 bugs at the other one's rate instead. > I actually stopped to consider if I > should look at it, and eventually (and nevertheless) decided to. Yes, I know that feeling exactly. It hit me a dozen times along those 1 1/2 year for this bug alone. > But, as > far as I can understand, you *did* succeed in getting all involved not > really interested in helping. Next time please keep in mind that most of > us are *volunteers*. We have no obligation to help. Thanks again. Correct. I am a volunteer having no obligation to help Ubuntu. I do it because I love Ubuntu and I hate hearing speak about its bugs. And I help many people using it. Very busy. Nobody's obliged to think alike. Not even to thank me. > 1. No, it was not clear *where* the problem was (apart from "being in > the MDN"). Also, I am pretty sure asac wanted to ask the you 'where' > instead of 'what'. I have answered all your questions only by taking data out of the mdnmsg files. A Thunderbird developer needs nothing more than it & the Qmail's error message. That's what I'm saying since 1 1/2 years. > 2. I see no reason why I should spend time to search for a bare LF that > you did not think important enough to point out, in a file full of > characters. You should not. You should believe D. J. Bernstein that there *is* one. There should *never* be a bare linefeed in SMTP transmission. Hence, if there is one, it *must* be a bug. It's *only* the developer's concern *where *that bare lf is. If I meet a dev like the one I just left, he may find questions to ask me. Questions he only knows. But I even doubt there's any question to ask. Because every information is in the mdnmsg files. I'm all his for testing fixes, of course, like I tested it lately. > 3. Nevertheless I did it. I found (and I did *not* look carefully) one > single bare LF, in the initial headers. So, I wonder: Because it looks all so difficult, I have 1) uploaded numbered versions of the files so that we don't get all mixed up 2) run a grep command on them 3) washed my sins away by following the reporting instructions exactly 4) updated the bug description with the above > 3.1. Can you repeat every time this error? Yes. It happened many more than shown, of which 4 descriptions were uploaded. One more, and file #5 is a bare case replayable at will. You can even send me an e-mail like cases 2, 3 and 4 and I'll return you the mdnmsg file. So that you may upload one with your own name in it ;-) > 3.2. Just for grins, could you try again, after changing your email > name so that it will not have an accented 'e'? This is an area where I > have seen a lot of issues in the past, and I am curious. I have a file somewhere in which I collected more than 30 different representation of my name over the years. I know even more what it's all about and this is not the case. Please don't ask me to lose more time :-( But you can make the test yourself by sending me an e-mail with your name like explained above. > 3.3. finally what is your current Thunderbird version? Full version > string, please. $ grep User-Agent mdnmsg*.eml mdnmsg0.eml:User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) mdnmsg1.eml:User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) mdnmsg4.eml:User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090318) mdnmsg5.eml:User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090318) > 4. Finally, no, I do not run Thunderbird, nor QMail. I am not interested > in running either (even though usually anything written by DJ Berstein > is really good). You need none of Thunderbird or QMail to forward this problem. > Interesting. Your last example does not show a bare LF anywhere I can > see. But I *do* see a bare CR, at the very last line. > Yes, all my files contain at least one bare linefeed. No, DJ Berstein is not a liar. You are correct about the bare CR. But ... hush hush ... ... I have been urged to follow the instructions closely and not to mix problems. Thanks again.