Outdated in Natty, please merge from Sid

Bug #762505 reported by dino99 on 2011-04-16
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rsyslog (Ubuntu)
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Oneiric
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Canonical Foundations Team

Bug Description

Binary package hint: rsyslog

there are some issues with actual natty's rsyslog wich is highly outdated:

5.8.0 is the stable branch http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_conf.html
Sid get it http://packages.debian.org/fr/sid/rsyslog

some related bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsyslog

So please merge it ASAP on Lucid Maverick & Natty

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04
Package: rsyslog 4.6.4-2ubuntu4
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-8.42-generic-pae 2.6.38.2
Uname: Linux 2.6.38-8-generic-pae i686
Architecture: i386
Date: Sat Apr 16 09:09:45 2011
ProcEnviron:
 LANGUAGE=fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en
 LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: rsyslog
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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dino99 (9d9) wrote :
description: updated
vmc (vmclark) on 2011-04-16
Changed in rsyslog (Ubuntu):
status: New → Confirmed
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Robbie Williamson (robbiew) wrote :

I agree we should have this in Natty, but it's simply too late for such a jump in versions. I've targeted this to Oneiric. Perhaps someone can build a version for Natty and host in a PPA?

Changed in rsyslog (Ubuntu Oneiric):
status: New → Confirmed
milestone: none → oneiric-alpha-1
assignee: nobody → Canonical Foundations Team (canonical-foundations)
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Scott Kitterman (kitterman) wrote :

Once it's in Oneiric, this would be an excellent candidate for natty-backports.

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Sanjaya Karunasena (sanjayak) wrote :

Is this same issue relevant to the missing /var/log/messages discussion here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1728570?

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dino99 (9d9) wrote :

the link posted above in post #4 is talking about the way ubuntu dev rsyslog maintainer have set logs to eliminate redondant & useless messages into various logs, its user understandable if the useless categories were removed too instead of letting them empty and let users thinking that something is borked.

That is the initial problem, but here the bug report only request the latest stable release to be merged from Sid, so nothing related to the previous link.

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Philipp Gassmann (phiphi.g) wrote :

Why is /var/log/messages disabled in Natty Narwhal?? That's THE place, to look if you feel that something is not going well.

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Philipp Gassmann (phiphi.g) wrote :

When I upgraded to natty something went wrong, so I was looking into the logs (=/var/log/messages). When I saw that it is empty I was shure that the system ist definitely fucked up, if not even the logging is working.

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Steve Langasek (vorlon) wrote :

Philipp, the logs you're looking for are in /var/log/syslog. This was a deliberate decision in natty to reduce log duplication (everything logged to /var/log/messages was always being logged to /var/log/syslog as well).

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Philipp Gassmann (phiphi.g) wrote : Re: [Bug 762505] Re: Outdated in Natty, please merge from Sid

So what about softlinking it instead of defunctioning? Isnt messages a
standard you should respect?

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Steve Langasek (vorlon) wrote :

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 03:16:13PM -0000, Philipp Gassmann wrote:
> So what about softlinking it instead of defunctioning?

I don't think a heavyweight transition here is warranted. Any backwards
compatibility solution we would implement would bring its own set of
problems (breaking external log rotation scripts, e.g.); IMHO it's really
better in this case to have a clean break.

> Isnt messages a standard you should respect?

No, it's no standard, only a convention.

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Tobi Schäfer (interface) wrote :

Just to understand the motive of the decision: what do you think makes breaking a convention so less worse than breaking a standard?

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Sanjaya Karunasena (sanjayak) wrote :

Purpose of syslog and messages are two different. I don't think its good to mix those. /var/log/messages is the usual place to all system software messages, non-kernel boot issues, and messages that go to 'dmesg'. Purpose of the syslog is to be the audit log and it will log everything and that's why you would fine every thing in /var/log/messages in the syslog. If you consider that as duplication of messages, I don't think that's correct.

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Stefan Fuchs (snfuchs) wrote :

As I don't think the last discussion belongs to this bug, I created bug #794727 for the empty /var/log/messages file.

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dino99 (9d9) wrote :

get a new upgrade as per Bug #794230

so i close that report now

Changed in rsyslog (Ubuntu Oneiric):
status: Confirmed → Fix Released
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