Network connections dialog unclear what 'never' means

Bug #388878 reported by Alan Pope 🍺🐧🐱 πŸ¦„ on 2009-06-18
This bug affects 1 person
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One Hundred Papercuts
network-manager (Ubuntu)

Bug Description

Binary package hint: network-manager

New user installs Ubuntu, then attempts to connect to their wireless access point (for example 'BT-HomeHub'). As we know there are sometimes reasons why wifi doesn't connect when it should. They may at some point discover they can right click Network Manager panel applet and find 'Edit Connections'. If they click the 'Wireless' tab they will see the following:-

Auto BT-HomeHub never

Note the word "never". A new user has no idea what 'never' means because there is no column heading, and there is no other connections (this being the first) giving any clue that 'never' means 'you have never connected (in the past)'. In fact some users I have met think it means 'never connect to to this access point'.

This could be easily resolved by adding a column heading 'Last connected at:' or similar, or a tooltip.

summary: - Network connections dialog has no column headings
+ Network connections dialog unclear what 'never' means
Iain Lane (laney) wrote :

It's not just new users. I have no idea what this means.

Changed in network-manager (Ubuntu):
status: New → Confirmed
Andy Loughran (andylockran) wrote :

It hasn't yet showed 'never' for me, and I've followed the exact instructions above.

Just -> Auto $ESSID in the tab.

Iain Lane (laney) on 2009-06-18
description: updated
Iain Lane (laney) wrote :

He meant edit connections and not connection info

It has been pointed out I should have used ubuntu-bug to file this, but of course the machine in question has no net connection (hence the bug report) so I can't.

Kernel: 2.6.27-9-generic x86
Ubuntu: 8.10 (although I do see the same in 9.04)
NM: 0.7.0

Attached screenshot of network manager from the device in question.

ShawnJGoff (shawn-goff) on 2009-06-18
Changed in hundredpapercuts:
status: New → Confirmed
Changed in hundredpapercuts:
milestone: none → round-9
Tony Espy (awe) wrote :

I was able to easily reproduce...

If you're connected to a WEP AP, right click, select Edit Connections, click the Wireless tab, and delete the AP in question.

Now go back and try to connect, but give it a bad key. After it fails, it'll show up with the "Never" tag.

I think a tooltip is the best solution as adding column headings might clutter things up.

Jess Miller (kaitwospirit) wrote :

Perhaps we should just change "never" to "never connected." That doesn't make it sound like your network manager thinks it should never make any attempt to connect to that network ever again, and does not require very much work at all.

Alexander Sack (asac) wrote :

forwarded upstream.

Changed in network-manager (Ubuntu):
status: Confirmed → Triaged
Changed in network-manager:
status: Unknown → New
Craig Hansen (craig-hansen) wrote :

A short phrase that works better than "Never" is "Not Yet". Another alternative is "New"

I had no idea what the "never" meant 'til I saw "now" once when I had two connections to choose from. A related point is that I see the "never" tag when I have one connection and it's actually in use. Now that I know that it refers to the last time the connection was in use, I now see that it's behaving wrong to be displaying "never" in this case - it should be displaying "now" - any chance of getting that fixed, too, or is this a different bug?

Andrew (and471) wrote :

The string we need to change is (in the original source)

src/connection-editor/mn-connection-list.c: (line 227)

  return g_strdup (_("never"));

The translations for this string are then located in the respective .po files at lines 816 & 817

Andrew (and471) wrote :

This is now fixed in karmic alpha-4. Network manager has a column heading that says 'Last connected'.

Changed in hundredpapercuts:
status: Confirmed → Fix Released
Changed in network-manager (Ubuntu):
status: Triaged → Fix Released
Changed in network-manager:
status: New → Fix Released
Vish (vish) wrote :

Rugby471, I believe the exact wordsvin the column are "Last Used" , are you using English version or different language.

Yup, on my karmic system the column now says 'Last used'.

I am happy. Thanks.

Andrew (and471) wrote :

Sorry guys, you are right I must have been tired when I wrote that :-)

Changed in hundredpapercuts:
milestone: round-9 → round-8
Changed in network-manager:
importance: Unknown → Wishlist
status: Fix Released → Unknown
Changed in network-manager:
status: Unknown → Invalid
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