Seconded, I'd also appreciate a bit of transparency regarding the reason for
this decision, and who made it.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:52 PM, JoeDuncan <email address hidden> wrote:

> Alexander,
>
> I appreciate your trying to help, but I am just not that interested in
> pursuing this. I had a need to make some changes for a VPN at school
> (routing etc...) prior to the network coming up; pre-up has been disabled
> for whatever reason, so I found a one-off workaround to use.
>
> It's a hassle to maintain however, so I have simply abandoned using the VPN
> - it's simply not worth it for the single service I needed it for, I can do
> without.
>
> I had thought the lack of "pre-up" was a simple oversight that would be
> quickly fixed once noticed (which is why I opened the bug). I am frankly
> astonished, however, that it was simply dropped with no good reason and no
> mention in the docs/change files.
>
> I don't know who "upstream" is (I know what the word means - but I
> personally do not know who it refers to in this context) so I cannot fathom
> their reasoning for abandoning it. It seems like an arbitrary, or at worst,
> biased decision to get rid of a perfectly good, working and elegant system
> that many people were using.
>
> I'd be interested in hearing what reasons "upstream" has for getting rid of
> pre-up, but I am frankly not hopeful that said reasons will be forthcoming.
> I am not interested in helping to create a bunch of one-off, special case
> hacks to replace a perfectly good system that was axed due to a dumb
> decision.
>
> It's sad to see such lock-down approaches being taken in a Linux distro. I
> had always believed that Linux was a free and open system, in the truest
> senses of the words, where users were allowed to do whatever they choose
> with the system. It seems to me a restrictive step back to take something
> that was once easy to do and deliberately make it harder.
>
> You can count me out of this process.
>
> Thanks for the attempt.
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Alexander Sack <email address hidden>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 02:25:27PM -0000, JoeDuncan wrote:
> > > Marlon, you can manually edit the /etc/init.d/networking script to call
> > > whatever commands you like before bringing up the network interfaces.
> > >
> > > Ugly and inelegant I know, but if the powers that be have decided for
> > > whatever reason to nuke the nice way of doing it, it's all we're left
> > with.
> >
> > I offered to look into special case solutions for most important use
> > cases. Thats not enough? Or just too much thought?
> >
> >  - Alexander
> >
> > --
> > NetworkManager does not call /etc/network/if-pre-up.d scripts
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/336736
> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> > of the bug.
> >
> > Status in “network-manager” package in Ubuntu: Won't Fix
> >
> > Bug description:
> > Binary package hint: network-manager
> >
> > Ubuntu 8.10, Linux 2.6.27-12-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 5 09:26:35 UTC 2009
> > i686 GNU/Linux
> > NetworkManager 0.7~~svn20081018t105859-0ubuntu1.8.10.1
> >
> > I've been trying to get a script to trigger on the "pre-up" phase of
> > network configuration, however, NetworkManager doesn't seem to call it's
> > dispatcher for "pre-up" or "post-down" events.
> >
> > None of the scripts I put in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d ever got called, so
> I
> > added the following line to the top of the dispatcher script
> > "/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown":
> >
> > logger -t $0 "called with $1 $2"
> >
> > Where $0 is the name of the script, $1 is the network interface and $2 is
> > the network event.
> >
> > After bringing some network connections up and down, I checked the logs,
> > and NetworkManager doesn't seem to be calling
> > "/etc/NetworkManager/dispatch.d/01ifupdown" for either "pre-up" or
> > "post-down" events. The only entries  that show up are for "up" and
> "down"
> > events.
> >
> > According to the changelog both "pre-up" and "post-down" events are
> > supposed to be supported as of version 0.5.1-0ubuntu12:
> >
> > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager
> >
>
>
> --
> Joe Duncan
> PhD Program, Psychology
> Queen's University
> <email address hidden>
> (647)216-9135
>
> --
> NetworkManager does not call /etc/network/if-pre-up.d scripts
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/336736
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>