@jsalisbury well, a little story first - - I disabled/removed the STA driver then - over the weekend a belkin N300 usb wifi dongle plugged in and tried; - I fiddled with dkms and tried to get the realtek module loaded; net results same as with the internal broadcom (the realtek module was created and installed with no errors); brief conn'n established , the dongle light was coming on - as with broadcom then out of the blue disconnected and dongle light disappeared. - then in additional drivers the belkin/realtek driver removed too. - used ndiswrapper and xp drivers; net result even worse than the first two - as soon as the command connect issued the desktop disappeared , dumped to a console with enable trace last line and a hard pc lock. so I decided for a new oneiric install with the N300 usb wifi present. alernate CD install went ok. after first boot sudo ifconfig [sudo] password for peter: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 1c:75:08:de:da:a0 inet6 addr: fe80::1e75:8ff:fede:daa0/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:2309 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:30 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:1 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:142092 (142.0 KB) TX bytes:5470 (5.4 KB) Interrupt:41 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr ec:55:f9:24:47:97 inet addr:192.168.2.16 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::ee55:f9ff:fe24:4797/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:124694 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:66189 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:183797851 (183.7 MB) TX bytes:5757259 (5.7 MB) sudo iwconfig lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID:"BELL864" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.427 GHz Access Point: 00:26:50:B3:59:69 Bit Rate=11 Mb/s Tx-Power=19 dBm Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality=70/70 Signal level=-148 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:132 Missed beacon:0 /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules # program, run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file. # # You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single # line, and change only the value of the NAME= key. # PCI device 0x1969:0x2062 (atl1c) SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="1c:75:08:de:da:a0", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0" # PCI device 0x14e4:0x4727 (brcmsmac) SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="ec:55:f9:24:47:97", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="wlan*", NAME="wlan0" big diff from first post #4. no eth1 - now wlan0; no wl but (from lsmod) brcmsmac 631693 0 .... brcmutil 17837 1 brcmsmac ...... mac80211 310872 1 brcmsmac ...... cfg80211 199587 2 brcmsmac,mac80211 ....... crc_ccitt 12667 1 brcmsmac conclusion : broadcom internal wifi works flawless; solid good steady conn'n. why this time and not on first install ? v hard for me to tell. I used the same install media, reformatted the same size part sda7 same swap - totally puzzled. thanks to all. I will not try any other kernels - if it ain't broken don't fix it. thank you Joseph.