Am Donnerstag, den 09.07.2009, 22:13 +0000 schrieb e13: > paul, charleys - is that official ubuntu view that users who find this > issue being painfully annoying and months with burning hot laptop is a > bit too much - should go and change distro (and what this next > suggestion was)? I'm not speaking for Ubuntu or Canonical, but let me address somewhat your and Michael's expectations. @Michael: Guess your time is of no value. You've got a working (and by your own assessment production grade fix) Ubuntu, but I guess you enjoy installing a new system. @e13: Well, there are workarounds documented in this ticket. Basically either try to run your fan faster (Michael's "fix"), or you can use a different kernel. OTOH, neither of these workarounds are a fix for all users, so demanding to have them in default distribution is wrong IMHO. Before you tell me know that you are a non-IT-knowledgeable person, well, shrug. You know what would happen if that happened with commercial warranty? You're laptop would be gone for some weeks (you might have pickup service with a replacement being provided, but that does not save your data and setup, so it's not really an improvement). And if you are unlucky your vendor would complain that it's unreproducible and try to cash in some fees for a check without reasons. And if think that a commercial vendor would even care for a fault that happens perhaps once per 10000 units, dream on. Ubuntu (or most Linux distributions) is different because they have public issue tracking. Considering that many commercial vendors are not capable of issuing critical fixes in a reasonable time frame, preferring to leave their paying customers to be vulnerable. As an example, a commercial vendor of certain IO devices that cost 5 digits per unit, took over 3 months to even acknowledge a critical bug in their driver, despite the bug report being relativly easy to reproduce, and coming from a rather big car manufacturer. A fixed driver had not been available after 9 months, when my contract ended. Back to this issue here: AFAIK, the issue has not been yet understood, so that's what it important now. Andy is trying to track down a case that seems to be related to hibernation. A number of users have reported that their problem persist on cold booted kernels, which suggests to me that this issue is still collecting different bugs ;( Andreas > > I for one find it too, tad slow reactions for bug that really fucks up > laptop users experience with ubuntu. > > You think I should go? You know what, progress like this finally MAKES > me go, if I get too pissed of that I just have to run windows now > already weeks and monts on end, just because my linux distro will > probably burn my legs or my hardware. And if solution will not start > coming out, then I look at the calendar and guess what, I am afraid of > that next release! Seriously. What if you make my laptop smoke and my > harddisk park/unpark quickly enough and some third trick somewhere > else... ? What if something like this just happens to find its way to > next release? That group of users seems te be minority, who are > affected, so You can miss it, right? Well, I cannot afford it. I have to > be able to use my laptop. Critical shit like this, (minority usergroup > or not), should get fixed, even if it is temporary band-aid first and, > quickly. Then take your time to fix a real problem. > > No way to make some quick update to 904 with custom little program that > would run all your tests that you need, collects all the information > necessary and what not? Add it to update and notify for example laptop- > users that there has been an issue and if they please run this test > thingie, to determine, if they are affected. If preliminary test is > positive, tell them and lets run some more specific test. And send you > raport about it. Like this (forgot the name, running windows currently) > "hardware testing" or whatnot... >