OK, I have a holiday coming up and I will try a alternates until I find one that works (Start with Jaunty and then try Karmic). I'd like to help get this solved, but eventually I am going to need to install something that works (even if its FreeBSD or OpenSUSE), so I can use this machine to do something other than play games on WindowsXP (the other boot it has). What strikes me as odd is that the LiveCD works well, and the initial install CD (64bit DVD) boots just fine, but after I try to get the kernel to boot, it just seems to lose the SDA drive completely after partially starting and then exiting into the initrd busybox. Please let me know anything more I can do to this box to get data that will help you, I'll send reports on my kernel attempts. Would a DMESG and other log capture form the livecd help? (I can mount a flash drive and copy them there). What about boot info from another distro if I get one that seems stable with the same kernel maj.min.pl ? I have been using Ubuntu for as my preferred desktop since I gave up Gentoo after a year and a half of masochism. I am not averse to temporarily doing minimal installs of other distros, even though I hate RPM based distros (since they are far too brittle), but if that's what it takes, I'll put up with it to get your data. Regards, Winston ----- Original Message ---- > From: Stefan Bader