Raring 3.8 still has problem. Here's relevant syslog entries from Acer 5253 amd64 notebook. At 15:23:45 NM decides to disconnect. At 14:23:50. I started manual connect to hidden network which went through just fine, see the entries. As a user since Dapper Drake Beta, why has Network Manager decided to deactivate device at 15:23:45?? There are "no new secrets needed" so why does it disconnect anyway? At 15:24:45 after I started manual connect to hidden network it says. Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Activation (wlan0/wireless): connection 'LAUREL' has security, and secrets exist. No new secrets needed. then goes right ahead and authenticates. Why doesn't NM just go ahead and connect like Precise does? Why didn't NM do the connect at 15:23:45?? instead of me having to do a manual connect? Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 cron[976]: (CRON) INFO (Running @reboot jobs) Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 6.254504] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: (wlan0): preparing device. Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: (wlan0): deactivating device (reason 'managed') [2] Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 6.259191] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 dbus[401]: [system] Activating service name='fi.w1.wpa_supplicant1' (using servicehelper) Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 6.271985] cfg80211: World regulatory domain updated: Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 6.271995] cfg80211: (start_freq - end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp) Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 6.272000] cfg80211: (2402000 KHz - 2472000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 6.272004] cfg80211: (2457000 KHz - 2482000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 6.272007] cfg80211: (2474000 KHz - 2494000 KHz @ 20000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 6.272011] cfg80211: (5170000 KHz - 5250000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 6.272014] cfg80211: (5735000 KHz - 5835000 KHz @ 40000 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 acpid: 33 rules loaded Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 acpid: waiting for events: event logging is off Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: SCPlugin-Ifupdown: devices added (path: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:15.3/0000:07:00.0/bcma0:0/net/wlan0, iface: wlan0) Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: SCPlugin-Ifupdown: device added (path: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:15.3/0000:07:00.0/bcma0:0/net/wlan0, iface: wlan0): no ifupdown configuration found. Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 dbus[401]: [system] Successfully activated service 'fi.w1.wpa_supplicant1' Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: wpa_supplicant started Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: (wlan0) supports 4 scan SSIDs Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Trying to remove a non-existant call id. Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: (wlan0): supplicant interface state: starting -> ready Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: (wlan0): device state change: unavailable -> disconnected (reason 'supplicant-available') [20 30 42] Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: (wlan0): supplicant interface state: ready -> inactive Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: (wlan0) supports 4 scan SSIDs Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 ntpdate[1049]: Can't find host ntp.ubuntu.com: Name or service not known (-2) Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 ntpdate[1049]: no servers can be used, exiting Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 acpid: client connected from 1054[0:0] Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 acpid: 1 client rule loaded Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 anacron[1082]: Anacron 2.3 started on 2013-01-12 Jan 12 15:23:45 Aspire-5253 anacron[1082]: Normal exit (0 jobs run) Jan 12 15:23:46 Aspire-5253 dbus[401]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.Accounts' (using servicehelper) Jan 12 15:23:46 Aspire-5253 accounts-daemon[1202]: started daemon version 0.6.29 Jan 12 15:23:46 Aspire-5253 dbus[401]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.Accounts' Jan 12 15:23:47 Aspire-5253 dbus[401]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit' (using servicehelper) Jan 12 15:23:47 Aspire-5253 dbus[401]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit' Jan 12 15:23:47 Aspire-5253 dbus[401]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.UPower' (using servicehelper) Jan 12 15:23:47 Aspire-5253 dbus[401]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.UPower' Jan 12 15:23:48 Aspire-5253 anacron[1433]: Anacron 2.3 started on 2013-01-12 Jan 12 15:23:48 Aspire-5253 anacron[1433]: Normal exit (0 jobs run) Jan 12 15:23:49 Aspire-5253 dbus[401]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.ColorManager' (using servicehelper) Jan 12 15:23:49 Aspire-5253 dbus[401]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.ColorManager' Jan 12 15:23:49 Aspire-5253 dbus[401]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1' (using servicehelper) Jan 12 15:23:49 Aspire-5253 dbus[401]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1' Jan 12 15:23:49 Aspire-5253 rtkit-daemon[1570]: Successfully called chroot. Jan 12 15:23:49 Aspire-5253 rtkit-daemon[1570]: Successfully dropped privileges. Jan 12 15:23:49 Aspire-5253 rtkit-daemon[1570]: Successfully limited resources. Jan 12 15:23:49 Aspire-5253 rtkit-daemon[1570]: Running. Jan 12 15:23:49 Aspire-5253 rtkit-daemon[1570]: Successfully made thread 1568 of process 1568 (n/a) owned by '1000' high priority at nice level -11. Jan 12 15:23:49 Aspire-5253 rtkit-daemon[1570]: Supervising 1 threads of 1 processes of 1 users. Jan 12 15:23:49 Aspire-5253 rtkit-daemon[1570]: Watchdog thread running. Jan 12 15:23:49 Aspire-5253 rtkit-daemon[1570]: Canary thread running. Jan 12 15:23:50 Aspire-5253 rtkit-daemon[1570]: Successfully made thread 1580 of process 1568 (n/a) owned by '1000' RT at priority 5. Jan 12 15:23:50 Aspire-5253 rtkit-daemon[1570]: Supervising 2 threads of 1 processes of 1 users. Jan 12 15:23:50 Aspire-5253 rtkit-daemon[1570]: Successfully made thread 1585 of process 1568 (n/a) owned by '1000' RT at priority 5. Jan 12 15:23:50 Aspire-5253 rtkit-daemon[1570]: Supervising 3 threads of 1 processes of 1 users. Jan 12 15:23:50 Aspire-5253 rtkit-daemon[1570]: Successfully made thread 1586 of process 1568 (n/a) owned by '1000' RT at priority 5. Jan 12 15:23:50 Aspire-5253 rtkit-daemon[1570]: Supervising 4 threads of 1 processes of 1 users. Jan 12 15:23:50 Aspire-5253 dbus[401]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.UDisks2' (using servicehelper) Jan 12 15:23:50 Aspire-5253 udisksd[1603]: udisks daemon version 2.0.1 starting Jan 12 15:23:50 Aspire-5253 dbus[401]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.UDisks2' Jan 12 15:23:50 Aspire-5253 udisksd[1603]: Acquired the name org.freedesktop.UDisks2 on the system message bus Jan 12 15:23:55 Aspire-5253 goa[1725]: goa-daemon version 3.6.2 starting [main.c:112, main()] Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Activation (wlan0) starting connection 'LAUREL' Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: (wlan0): device state change: disconnected -> prepare (reason 'none') [30 40 0] Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) scheduled... Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) started... Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) scheduled... Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) complete. Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) starting... Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: (wlan0): device state change: prepare -> config (reason 'none') [40 50 0] Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Activation (wlan0/wireless): connection 'LAUREL' has security, and secrets exist. No new secrets needed. Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Config: added 'ssid' value 'LAUREL' Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Config: added 'scan_ssid' value '1' Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Config: added 'key_mgmt' value 'WPA-PSK' Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Config: added 'psk' value '' Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) complete. Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: Config: set interface ap_scan to 1 Jan 12 15:24:47 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: (wlan0): supplicant interface state: inactive -> scanning Jan 12 15:24:48 Aspire-5253 wpa_supplicant[1002]: wlan0: SME: Trying to authenticate with 00:0f:b3:b0:d6:3c (SSID='LAUREL' freq=2452 MHz) Jan 12 15:24:48 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 69.126298] wlan0: authenticate with 00:0f:b3:b0:d6:3c Jan 12 15:24:48 Aspire-5253 NetworkManager[805]: (wlan0): supplicant interface state: scanning -> authenticating Jan 12 15:24:48 Aspire-5253 wpa_supplicant[1002]: wlan0: Trying to associate with 00:0f:b3:b0:d6:3c (SSID='LAUREL' freq=2452 MHz) Jan 12 15:24:48 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 69.130019] wlan0: send auth to 00:0f:b3:b0:d6:3c (try 1/3) Jan 12 15:24:48 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 69.131485] wlan0: authenticated Jan 12 15:24:48 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 69.131909] brcmsmac bcma0:0 wlan0: disabling HT/VHT due to WEP/TKIP use Jan 12 15:24:48 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 69.131922] brcmsmac bcma0:0 wlan0: disabling HT as WMM/QoS is not supported by the AP Jan 12 15:24:48 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 69.131927] brcmsmac bcma0:0 wlan0: disabling VHT as WMM/QoS is not supported by the AP Jan 12 15:24:48 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 69.132358] wlan0: associate with 00:0f:b3:b0:d6:3c (try 1/3) Jan 12 15:24:48 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 69.135184] wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:0f:b3:b0:d6:3c (capab=0x431 status=0 aid=1) Jan 12 15:24:48 Aspire-5253 kernel: [ 69.136228] brcmsmac bcma0:0: brcmsmac: brcms_ops_bss_info_changed: associated Thanks for any thoughts, especially any patches to NM to see why it disconnects instead of connecting.