Activity log for bug #713950

Date Who What changed Old value New value Message
2011-02-06 07:27:07 Cheng-Chia Tseng bug added bug
2011-02-06 07:38:14 Aron Xu bug added subscriber Ubuntu Taiwan LoCo Team
2011-02-06 07:39:22 Aron Xu bug added subscriber Ubuntu CJK Testers
2011-02-06 08:43:08 Aron Xu bug added subscriber Aron Xu
2011-02-06 08:43:20 Aron Xu bug added subscriber Qianqian Fang
2011-02-06 13:45:52 poloshiao bug added subscriber poloshiao
2011-02-08 04:37:15 Cheng-Chia Tseng description Binary package hint: language-selector Now the setting of 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf picks up the Latin fonts first, then fallback to Chinese fonts. By default, ubuntu only installs DejaVu font family and WenQuanYi Micro Hei font. However, there is no need to pick up the Latin fonts first. I am here to propose to remove the Latin fonts (Bitstream and DejaVu family) in the configration for the reasons below: 1. As far as I have known, WenQuanYi Micro Hei font provied all the typefaces which DejaVu fonts have. There is no need to fallback. 2. There is no evidence indicating mixing Latin characters provided by Latin fonts with Chinese characters provided by CJK fonts will be the best default experience. Actullay, that will sacrifice the consistency when there is English, Chinese, Japanese and Korean text displaying on the screen at the same time. 3. Removing the Latin fonts in the configuration provides the best capibilty for Chinese with those programs which do not follow the fallback machenism of fontconfig, such as Evince. The programs like that only pick up the first font, DejaVu font, and displaying squares for Chinese characters. 4. People still have the freedom to edit the configuration or add new rules, there is no harm removing those Latin font strings in zh_TW configuration. Please consider to remove the Latin fonts prior to the CJK fonts. Binary package hint: language-selector Now the setting of 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf picks up the Latin fonts first, then fallback to Chinese fonts. By default, ubuntu only installs DejaVu font family and WenQuanYi Micro Hei font. However, there is no need to pick up the Latin fonts first. I am here to propose to remove the Latin fonts (Bitstream and DejaVu family) in the configration for the reasons below: 1. As far as I have known, WenQuanYi Micro Hei font provied all the typefaces which DejaVu fonts have. There is no need to fallback. 2. There is no evidence indicating mixing Latin characters provided by Latin fonts with Chinese characters provided by CJK fonts will be the best default experience. Actullay, that will sacrifice the consistency when there is English, Chinese, Japanese and Korean text displaying on the screen at the same time. 3. Removing the Latin fonts in the configuration provides the best compatibilty for Chinese with those programs which do not follow the fallback machenism of fontconfig, such as Evince. The programs like that only pick up the first font, DejaVu font, and displaying squares for Chinese characters. 4. People still have the freedom to edit the configuration or add new rules, there is no harm removing those Latin font strings in zh_TW configuration. Please consider to remove the Latin fonts prior to the CJK fonts.
2011-02-08 04:38:37 Cheng-Chia Tseng description Binary package hint: language-selector Now the setting of 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf picks up the Latin fonts first, then fallback to Chinese fonts. By default, ubuntu only installs DejaVu font family and WenQuanYi Micro Hei font. However, there is no need to pick up the Latin fonts first. I am here to propose to remove the Latin fonts (Bitstream and DejaVu family) in the configration for the reasons below: 1. As far as I have known, WenQuanYi Micro Hei font provied all the typefaces which DejaVu fonts have. There is no need to fallback. 2. There is no evidence indicating mixing Latin characters provided by Latin fonts with Chinese characters provided by CJK fonts will be the best default experience. Actullay, that will sacrifice the consistency when there is English, Chinese, Japanese and Korean text displaying on the screen at the same time. 3. Removing the Latin fonts in the configuration provides the best compatibilty for Chinese with those programs which do not follow the fallback machenism of fontconfig, such as Evince. The programs like that only pick up the first font, DejaVu font, and displaying squares for Chinese characters. 4. People still have the freedom to edit the configuration or add new rules, there is no harm removing those Latin font strings in zh_TW configuration. Please consider to remove the Latin fonts prior to the CJK fonts. Binary package hint: language-selector Now the setting of 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf picks up the Latin fonts first, then fallback to Chinese fonts. By default, ubuntu only installs DejaVu font family and WenQuanYi Micro Hei font. However, there is no need to pick up the Latin fonts first. I am here to propose to remove the Latin fonts (Bitstream and DejaVu family) in the configration for the reasons below: 1. As far as I have known, WenQuanYi Micro Hei font provied all the typefaces which DejaVu fontfamily covers. There is no need to fallback. 2. There is no evidence indicating mixing Latin characters provided by Latin fonts with Chinese characters provided by CJK fonts will be the best default experience. Actullay, that will sacrifice the consistency when there is English, Chinese, Japanese and Korean text displaying on the screen at the same time. 3. Removing the Latin fonts in the configuration provides the best compatibilty for Chinese with those programs which do not follow the fallback machenism of fontconfig, such as Evince. The programs like that only pick up the first font, DejaVu font, and displaying squares for Chinese characters. 4. People still have the freedom to edit the configuration or add new rules, there is no harm removing those Latin font strings in zh_TW configuration. Please consider to remove the Latin fonts prior to the CJK fonts.
2011-03-21 15:59:37 Cheng-Chia Tseng description Binary package hint: language-selector Now the setting of 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf picks up the Latin fonts first, then fallback to Chinese fonts. By default, ubuntu only installs DejaVu font family and WenQuanYi Micro Hei font. However, there is no need to pick up the Latin fonts first. I am here to propose to remove the Latin fonts (Bitstream and DejaVu family) in the configration for the reasons below: 1. As far as I have known, WenQuanYi Micro Hei font provied all the typefaces which DejaVu fontfamily covers. There is no need to fallback. 2. There is no evidence indicating mixing Latin characters provided by Latin fonts with Chinese characters provided by CJK fonts will be the best default experience. Actullay, that will sacrifice the consistency when there is English, Chinese, Japanese and Korean text displaying on the screen at the same time. 3. Removing the Latin fonts in the configuration provides the best compatibilty for Chinese with those programs which do not follow the fallback machenism of fontconfig, such as Evince. The programs like that only pick up the first font, DejaVu font, and displaying squares for Chinese characters. 4. People still have the freedom to edit the configuration or add new rules, there is no harm removing those Latin font strings in zh_TW configuration. Please consider to remove the Latin fonts prior to the CJK fonts. Binary package hint: language-selector Now the setting of 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf picks up the Latin fonts first, then fallback to Chinese fonts. By default, ubuntu only installs DejaVu font family and WenQuanYi Micro Hei font. DejaVu is a high quality Latin fontfamily which has oblique and italic styles. WenQuanYi Micro Hei font covers Latin, Chinese, Japanese and Korean, but only has regular style However, there is no need to pick up the Latin fonts first. I am here to suggest a better configuration by the reasons below: 1. As far as I have known, WenQuanYi Micro Hei font provied all the typefaces which DejaVu fontfamily covers, but lack of oblique, bold and italic styles. 2. The order of languages most used by Chinese (Taiwan) users is: Chinese > English > Japanese > Korean > other Western languages(eg. French, Spanish, German, Russia...). Ideally, the system should select the best fonts having Chinese (Taiwan) characters first, then go to the best Latin fonts to meet Chinese (Taiwan) users' need. 3. There is no evidence indicating mixing Latin characters provided by Latin fonts with Chinese characters provided by CJK fonts will be the best default experience. Actullay, that will sacrifice the consistency when there is Latin and CJK text displaying on the screen at the same time, because Latin characters and CJK characters are in different flavors. 3. Selecting fonts including Chinese (Taiwan) characters first in the configuration provides the best compatibilty for Chinese with those programs which do not follow the fallback machenism of fontconfig, such as Evince. The programs like that only pick up the first font, DejaVu font, and displaying squares for Chinese characters. 4. People still have the freedom to edit the configuration or add new rules, there is no harm selecting those font strings including Chinese (Taiwan) characters first in zh_TW configuration. Please consider to choose the CJK fonts before the Latin fonts.
2011-03-22 17:45:11 Cheng-Chia Tseng description Binary package hint: language-selector Now the setting of 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf picks up the Latin fonts first, then fallback to Chinese fonts. By default, ubuntu only installs DejaVu font family and WenQuanYi Micro Hei font. DejaVu is a high quality Latin fontfamily which has oblique and italic styles. WenQuanYi Micro Hei font covers Latin, Chinese, Japanese and Korean, but only has regular style However, there is no need to pick up the Latin fonts first. I am here to suggest a better configuration by the reasons below: 1. As far as I have known, WenQuanYi Micro Hei font provied all the typefaces which DejaVu fontfamily covers, but lack of oblique, bold and italic styles. 2. The order of languages most used by Chinese (Taiwan) users is: Chinese > English > Japanese > Korean > other Western languages(eg. French, Spanish, German, Russia...). Ideally, the system should select the best fonts having Chinese (Taiwan) characters first, then go to the best Latin fonts to meet Chinese (Taiwan) users' need. 3. There is no evidence indicating mixing Latin characters provided by Latin fonts with Chinese characters provided by CJK fonts will be the best default experience. Actullay, that will sacrifice the consistency when there is Latin and CJK text displaying on the screen at the same time, because Latin characters and CJK characters are in different flavors. 3. Selecting fonts including Chinese (Taiwan) characters first in the configuration provides the best compatibilty for Chinese with those programs which do not follow the fallback machenism of fontconfig, such as Evince. The programs like that only pick up the first font, DejaVu font, and displaying squares for Chinese characters. 4. People still have the freedom to edit the configuration or add new rules, there is no harm selecting those font strings including Chinese (Taiwan) characters first in zh_TW configuration. Please consider to choose the CJK fonts before the Latin fonts. Binary package hint: language-selector Now the setting of 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf picks up the Latin fonts first, then fallback to Chinese fonts. By default, ubuntu only installs DejaVu font family and WenQuanYi Micro Hei font. DejaVu is a high quality Latin fontfamily which has ExtraLight, Condensed, Book, Condensed Italic...and many more styles. WenQuanYi Micro Hei font covers Latin, Chinese, Japanese and Korean, but only has Regular, Italic, Bold and Bold Italic styles. However, there is no need to pick up the Latin fonts first. I am here to suggest a better configuration by the reasons below: 1. As far as I have known, WenQuanYi Micro Hei font provied all the typefaces which DejaVu fontfamily covers, but lack of Condensed, EtralLight and some other styles. 2. The order of languages most used by Chinese (Taiwan) users is: Chinese > English > Japanese > Korean > other Western languages(eg. French, Spanish, German, Russia...). Ideally, the system should select the best fonts having Chinese (Taiwan) characters first, then go to the best Latin fonts to meet Chinese (Taiwan) users' need. 3. There is no evidence indicating mixing Latin characters provided by Latin fonts with Chinese characters provided by CJK fonts will be the best default experience. Actullay, that will sacrifice the consistency when there is Latin and CJK text displaying on the screen at the same time, because Latin characters and CJK characters are in different flavors. 3. Selecting fonts including Chinese (Taiwan) characters first in the configuration provides the best compatibilty for Chinese with those programs which do not follow the fallback machenism of fontconfig, such as Evince. The programs like that only pick up the first font, DejaVu font, and displaying squares for Chinese characters. 4. People still have the freedom to edit the configuration or add new rules, there is no harm selecting those font strings including Chinese (Taiwan) characters first in zh_TW configuration. Please consider to choose the CJK fonts before the Latin fonts.
2011-03-24 13:29:16 Hsin-Yi, Chen (hychen) bug added subscriber Hsin-Yi, Chen (hychen)
2011-03-25 12:41:56 Keng-Yu Lin bug added subscriber Keng-Yü Lin
2011-03-25 22:56:39 Gunnar Hjalmarsson bug added subscriber Martin Pitt
2011-03-26 02:41:15 Cheng-Wei Chien removed subscriber Ubuntu Taiwan LoCo Team
2011-03-26 17:08:23 Cheng-Chia Tseng attachment added Proposed file for SelectChineseFontFirst+LatinFontsBinding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/713950/+attachment/1943429/+files/69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf
2011-03-28 02:43:25 Keng-Yu Lin language-selector (Ubuntu): status New Confirmed
2011-03-28 02:43:30 Keng-Yu Lin language-selector (Ubuntu): importance Undecided High
2011-03-28 04:11:14 Aron Xu removed subscriber Aron Xu
2011-03-28 04:18:09 Hsin-Yi, Chen (hychen) bug added subscriber AceLan Kao
2011-03-28 04:18:27 Hsin-Yi, Chen (hychen) bug added subscriber Ying-Chun Liu
2011-03-28 04:20:46 airplanez bug added subscriber airplanez
2011-03-28 09:22:07 Cheng-Chia Tseng description Binary package hint: language-selector Now the setting of 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf picks up the Latin fonts first, then fallback to Chinese fonts. By default, ubuntu only installs DejaVu font family and WenQuanYi Micro Hei font. DejaVu is a high quality Latin fontfamily which has ExtraLight, Condensed, Book, Condensed Italic...and many more styles. WenQuanYi Micro Hei font covers Latin, Chinese, Japanese and Korean, but only has Regular, Italic, Bold and Bold Italic styles. However, there is no need to pick up the Latin fonts first. I am here to suggest a better configuration by the reasons below: 1. As far as I have known, WenQuanYi Micro Hei font provied all the typefaces which DejaVu fontfamily covers, but lack of Condensed, EtralLight and some other styles. 2. The order of languages most used by Chinese (Taiwan) users is: Chinese > English > Japanese > Korean > other Western languages(eg. French, Spanish, German, Russia...). Ideally, the system should select the best fonts having Chinese (Taiwan) characters first, then go to the best Latin fonts to meet Chinese (Taiwan) users' need. 3. There is no evidence indicating mixing Latin characters provided by Latin fonts with Chinese characters provided by CJK fonts will be the best default experience. Actullay, that will sacrifice the consistency when there is Latin and CJK text displaying on the screen at the same time, because Latin characters and CJK characters are in different flavors. 3. Selecting fonts including Chinese (Taiwan) characters first in the configuration provides the best compatibilty for Chinese with those programs which do not follow the fallback machenism of fontconfig, such as Evince. The programs like that only pick up the first font, DejaVu font, and displaying squares for Chinese characters. 4. People still have the freedom to edit the configuration or add new rules, there is no harm selecting those font strings including Chinese (Taiwan) characters first in zh_TW configuration. Please consider to choose the CJK fonts before the Latin fonts. Binary package hint: language-selector Now the setting of 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf picks up the Latin fonts first, then fallback to Chinese fonts. By default, ubuntu only installs DejaVu font family and WenQuanYi Micro Hei font. DejaVu is a high quality Latin fontfamily which has ExtraLight, Condensed, Book, Condensed Italic...and many more styles. WenQuanYi Micro Hei font covers Latin, Chinese, Japanese and Korean, but only has Regular, Italic, Bold and Bold Italic styles. However, there is no need to pick up the Latin fonts first. I am here to suggest a better configuration by the reasons below: 1. As far as I have known, WenQuanYi Micro Hei font provied all the typefaces which DejaVu fontfamily covers, but lack of Condensed, EtralLight and some other styles. 2. The order of languages most used by Chinese (Taiwan) users is: Chinese > English > Japanese > Korean > other Western languages(eg. French, Spanish, German, Russia...). Ideally, the system should select the best fonts having Chinese (Taiwan) characters first, then go to the best Latin fonts to meet Chinese (Taiwan) users' need. 3. There is no evidence indicating mixing Latin characters provided by Latin fonts with Chinese characters provided by CJK fonts will be the best default experience. Actullay, that will sacrifice the consistency when there is Latin and CJK text displaying on the screen at the same time, because Latin characters and CJK characters are in different flavors. However, many users insist on using DejaVu fontfamily to display the Latin characters. The same visual appearance is reserved by the proposed configuration. 3. Selecting fonts including Chinese (Taiwan) characters first in the configuration provides the best compatibilty for Chinese characters with those programs which do not follow the fallback machenism of fontconfig, such as Evince, to be readable. The programs like that only pick up the first font, DejaVu font, and displaying squares for Chinese characters. With this improved configuration, the problem still can be found out by the "Latin characters" part which should be DejaVu but not WenQuanYi Micro Hei. 4. People still have the freedom to edit the configuration or add new rules, there is no harm selecting those font strings including Chinese (Taiwan) characters first in zh_TW configuration. Please consider to choose the CJK fonts before the Latin fonts.
2011-03-28 10:48:18 airplanez removed subscriber airplanez
2011-03-28 14:20:50 Keng-Yu Lin attachment added test.PDF https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/713950/+attachment/1949914/+files/test.PDF
2011-03-29 08:44:28 airplanez removed subscriber Ubuntu CJK Testers
2011-04-04 03:56:26 Gunnar Hjalmarsson bug added subscriber Gunnar Hjalmarsson
2011-04-11 11:30:00 Kevin Huang bug added subscriber Kevin Huang
2011-04-13 23:57:26 Fumihito YOSHIDA bug added subscriber Fumihito YOSHIDA
2011-04-18 10:14:48 Mitsuya Shibata bug added subscriber Mitsuya Shibata
2011-04-19 06:54:51 Cheng-Chia Tseng attachment added Diff Between Current Setting and SelectChineseFontFirst+LatinFontsBinding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/713950/+attachment/2065550/+files/Improved-zh-tw-config.diff
2011-04-19 17:31:20 Brian Murray bug added subscriber Ubuntu Review Team
2011-04-19 17:31:22 Brian Murray tags patch
2011-04-26 17:09:40 V字龍(Vdragon) bug added subscriber 林博仁
2011-06-25 16:52:24 Launchpad Janitor branch linked lp:~gunnarhj/language-selector/oneiric
2011-06-25 16:52:41 Gunnar Hjalmarsson language-selector (Ubuntu): status Confirmed In Progress
2011-06-25 16:52:41 Gunnar Hjalmarsson language-selector (Ubuntu): assignee Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)
2011-06-25 17:00:17 Gunnar Hjalmarsson branch linked lp:language-selector
2011-07-13 15:05:12 Launchpad Janitor language-selector (Ubuntu): status In Progress Fix Released
2011-07-14 06:20:49 Launchpad Janitor branch linked lp:ubuntu/language-selector
2014-04-08 05:09:46 Taihsiang Ho bug added subscriber Taihsiang Ho
2014-04-08 14:15:25 Keng-Yu Lin language-selector (Ubuntu): status Fix Released Triaged
2014-04-08 14:15:42 Keng-Yu Lin nominated for series Ubuntu Trusty
2014-04-08 15:25:14 Gunnar Hjalmarsson language-selector (Ubuntu): status Triaged Fix Released